RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 18, 2013 at 8:25 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2013 at 8:25 am by max-greece.)
"It would entirely lack a context for it's existence it would mean we're an accidental byproduct. Freewill, morality, good and evil would be all be fucked if that were true. I don't see any good reason why that ought to be true particularly as we know our own universe is finite and had a beginning/point of creation. If it was eternal in itself it could have just been eternal in itself so that suggests an eternal force, particularly when you take into account the balance of the natural order and the complex nature of life. Yes there was evolution but you can see that as a progression from simplicity to ever increasing level of sophistication resulting in humanity, or something like humanity ultimately. You don't have to take Genesis 100% literally it only has to be true in general."
What I am seeing here is something stamping your feet and demanding that there is reason for everything. Sadly - you can't provide any evidence for it.
I see no link to your subsequent statement "Freewill, morality, good and evil would be all be fucked if that were true."
Whether we are here through accident or design it is up to us to make the most of it. Most of the best people I know were accidents - including my own daughter, and me come to that. That fact doesn't reduce their value at all.
"I'm not saying you can't have an eternal universe but I would object to it on good solid grounds. It isn't wishful thinking either as it makes more sense for the universe to have an eternal context and some kind of purpose in the way it was specifically formed that isn't beyond the bounds of reason at all."
Makes more sense to whom? To you? Is that the criterion you think foremost in the creation of the universe? It makes less sense to me - does that count for nothing?
Lets approach this from another direction. You say the universe is designed (for us). I say - if this is an example of designed for us I'd sack the designer. You might want to look up a recent thread of mine called "would you employ this designer?"
That thread is a jokey one but the issues it raises are very real.
You might also want to look up Lawrence Krauss' video on youtube which I think is called "the worst possible universe." It is a rebuttal of the "designed for us" universe and its rather good.
Stimbo - that is going in my signature - brilliant!!!
What I am seeing here is something stamping your feet and demanding that there is reason for everything. Sadly - you can't provide any evidence for it.
I see no link to your subsequent statement "Freewill, morality, good and evil would be all be fucked if that were true."
Whether we are here through accident or design it is up to us to make the most of it. Most of the best people I know were accidents - including my own daughter, and me come to that. That fact doesn't reduce their value at all.
"I'm not saying you can't have an eternal universe but I would object to it on good solid grounds. It isn't wishful thinking either as it makes more sense for the universe to have an eternal context and some kind of purpose in the way it was specifically formed that isn't beyond the bounds of reason at all."
Makes more sense to whom? To you? Is that the criterion you think foremost in the creation of the universe? It makes less sense to me - does that count for nothing?
Lets approach this from another direction. You say the universe is designed (for us). I say - if this is an example of designed for us I'd sack the designer. You might want to look up a recent thread of mine called "would you employ this designer?"
That thread is a jokey one but the issues it raises are very real.
You might also want to look up Lawrence Krauss' video on youtube which I think is called "the worst possible universe." It is a rebuttal of the "designed for us" universe and its rather good.
Stimbo - that is going in my signature - brilliant!!!
