Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Esquilax]

We're not an accident alright? The universe clearly built up toward greater level of precisely arranged complexity over time and we're the most complex objects in the known universe sitting right here this was built around a system of physical laws that had to be 100% perfectly arranged without error.

It's unbelievable that you still don't get this, but just because you say something is so, doesn't mean that it is, and you don't get to say this is obvious because it demonstrably isn't by the fact that nobody here is agreeing with you.

You're not just saying you don't know whether God exists or not you're saying you don't give a fuck about him if he does, you may as well just not give a fuck about anything then.

What was that I keep saying about telling me what I think?

Oh yes. Not to do it. Stop it.

No not my god, your God, our God, the God with a capital G. God is the context he is the creator and the reason for existence, everything the whole lot.

I would appreciate it if you didn't presume to assign ownership over me to someone else. That'd be real nice, if you'd stop being so incredibly arrogant. Thanks in advance!

Without him there is no reason because he is the reason.

That's begging the question in a most amazingly ignorant way: if god doesn't exist then he was never the reason and his absence wouldn't suck reason out of things... because he would never have been there to supply it in the first place.

Try and keep up, okay? You're not talking to another christian, here: you're trying to convince someone who doesn't believe what you do. You can't automatically expect that I would agree.

If God doesn't exist then there is no such as morality or good and evil we just made it up and everyone's opinion is as valid as anyone else.

I literally explained this to you in the morality thread earlier. We live in a physical world, where we each experience a mostly uniform version of it through our senses; there are some absolutes in morality based on those.

If God doesn't exist how are we meant to have freewill?

Ultimately, we may not. We might just be chemical interactions in our meat brains: it doesn't change the fact that my experience is still new to me.

We would be the product of physically explainable processes and we can explain and predict all these processes as they are mechanistically determined.

We can do that.

If we are created in the image of God then we share in the freewill he has seeing as he is a being beyond the natural order who purposefully created the natural order. We are the product of Gods creation.

We probably don't have free will in the way you're describing it.

There wasn't a time before God created time. God may well have created other universes but they will have their own time streams. God exists beyond time but is relational to it. A bit of William Lane Craig on this subject.

Prove it. Don't just presume it, the way that buffoon Craig does.

Complexity built up over time, not just in the biological world of course but applies to the structure of the universe in general and it's natural formation over time. You're claiming that was accidental but I'm going to have to disagree, this was intentional, not micromanged but intentional.

So, I accuse you of cherry picking the pieces of evolution that suit your purposes and ignoring those that don't, and you respond by... doing exactly that, only completely, openly dishonestly because you've been called on it.

Evolution does not only most toward complexity. I gave you examples of this, and you're completely ignored it in favor of lying to me again.

The Holy Spirit tells you or something, I don't know why does matter what parts are literally true? What matters is whether God exists and whether the Bible is the spiritual tool you can use to commune with this very same God. It's a Holy book that's what it's for.

So basically you pick and choose what's convenient for you, and yet you expect that this will be some kind of argument for your position?

It is the real world, at least to some degree in some sense we're not going to nitpick over details. It's the reality of God and our relationship to him as laid out in there that matters.

Prove it.

It makes sense because it is true and if it wasn't true it wouldn't make much sense but it does makes sense so it is! ARGH!

Unless you're absolutely wrong in your assessment that it makes sense. Consider that: you don't know everything, you could be in possession of incomplete knowledge that leads you to the wrong conclusion.

I'm going to ask you to do something completely crazy, now: actually consider the possibility that you might be wrong.