RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
October 19, 2013 at 5:06 pm
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2013 at 5:17 pm by Bad Wolf.)
There is no choice in the matter. That is the whole point i'm making. Of course you will pay the protection money. But its not your own choice to get your legs broken if you refuse to pay.
Oh does he now. Do you know what butterfly children are? Might want to look all those up. How about all those people killed by tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, lightning strikes, forest/bush fires. A loving god would not allow these things to happen.
Now i'm just going to wait for the justifications of all of these. Please do explain how all these people deserve the pain, suffering and death.
I am saying he created the situation in which going to hell is possible. That means it is his responsibility and the blame lies with him. Again i shall use the godfather example: sure you have a choice, either pay the protection money or not. But if you don't pay, you get your legs broken or you get killed. So obviously you will pay. In reality, there is no actual choice there. But if you should choose to not pay, it is not your fault, and you are not choosing to get your legs broken. The blame lies with the godfather because he created the whole situation. If he wasn't blackmailing you for protection money in the first place, there would be no need for a choice. Its the same thing with god. If he doesn't demand you worship him and stick by his code of ethics and morals, we wouldn't go to hell and we wouldn't have a problem
(October 19, 2013 at 4:48 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: The Christian God loves everyone
Oh does he now. Do you know what butterfly children are? Might want to look all those up. How about all those people killed by tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, lightning strikes, forest/bush fires. A loving god would not allow these things to happen.
Now i'm just going to wait for the justifications of all of these. Please do explain how all these people deserve the pain, suffering and death.
(October 19, 2013 at 4:46 pm)professor Wrote: Are you saying this whole mess is God's fault since He started the ball rolling?
I am saying he created the situation in which going to hell is possible. That means it is his responsibility and the blame lies with him. Again i shall use the godfather example: sure you have a choice, either pay the protection money or not. But if you don't pay, you get your legs broken or you get killed. So obviously you will pay. In reality, there is no actual choice there. But if you should choose to not pay, it is not your fault, and you are not choosing to get your legs broken. The blame lies with the godfather because he created the whole situation. If he wasn't blackmailing you for protection money in the first place, there would be no need for a choice. Its the same thing with god. If he doesn't demand you worship him and stick by his code of ethics and morals, we wouldn't go to hell and we wouldn't have a problem
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
