(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: That's not how it works, you basically have three options here.
1) There is no eternal salvation, this is not good news.
Why is that not good news? I don't think I wan't to live forever, i may get bored after the first 5000 years. When I die, my consciousness will cease to exist. Just like it didn't exist for the billions of years before my birth, and that wasn't so bad.
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: All other religions are option 2 but Christianity is the only option 3 on the market. Though God isn't going to force a gift onto you that you don't want or wouldn't ever accept. If you reject God you will keep all your sin and be removed from Gods love but that's would be what you decide you want. What you don't get is Gods love forced upon you you can reject him.
No it is not your decision at all, you are not choosing hell and eternal damnation. 'Do what I say or i'll kill you' there is no choice there.
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: How would you create a physical universe that allows for the evolution of sentient organic forms of life and avoid these consequences of the natural physical laws you need to have established to begin with?
He is all powerful isn't he? If he wanted he could get rid of all these problems. Butterfly children wouldn't need to exist if he made our genetic coding perfect. That doesn't seem to hard to do for an all powerful universe creator. BTW do you know why they are called butterfly children? Because they don't survive to adulthood. But its not their illness that kills them. They kill themselves because they can't bear the pain anymore. Please explain how a god that loves EVERYONE and (has the power to stop this), lets this happen
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: You can ask why God decided to create us this way but I'd say it's so we can come to have a relationship with him through our own freedom of choice, you would call this relationship between creature and creator is called a theosis.
That does not address what I just said. Unless you mean you develop a relationship with god through lifelong suffering and death. If that is the case, how many times have you separated the dermis from the epidermis of your skin? How many days have you spent in agonizing pain for no apparent reason. How many people do you know that have been killed in natural disasters? A god that loves everyone....what a joke.
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: God himself shared in this human suffering on the cross of course he understands human pain and misery.
Well i'm sure that makes everyone who is suffering in the world feel better. God understands human pain and misery, well fantastic! I'm sure all those starving aids ridden kids in africa are reassured by that. This makes him even worse. He understands the suffering that people go through yet does nothing about it. This god certainly does not love everyone.
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: It's a consequence of human freedom of will and the way the natural order has to be to allow for the freedom of will in the first place.
So the butterfly children (who were born with their condition) deserve the excruciating pain that they deal with everyday because....humans have free will. Disgusting
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: It wasn't possible to create ourselves without suffering involved. But it was still worth creating because positives ultimately outweigh the negatives, the creation is still good, we are good and life is still a gift and we still have a loving relationship with our creator.
Oh...so as long as there are slightly less people suffering than not suffering, that makes it ok. Pathetic.
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Do you place any value in human life and human freedom at all?
Free will and freedom is an illusion. As Loki said (or something along the lines of) : Freedom is life's greatest lie. No one is free. Only the last human being in existence would truly be free.
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Only if you want to abuse what God has given you and/or reject Gods grace.
Only if you want to abuse what the Godfather has given you and/or reject the Godfathers grace. See what I did there?
(October 20, 2013 at 8:17 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: I'm not saying you're necessarily doing that yourself. It's more a misunderstanding than a genuine rejection of God in your case.
I do not misunderstand him. I fully reject the idea of the Christian god
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
