Hell and imperfections in the universe

[Sword of Christ]

Why is that not good news? I don't think I wan't to live forever

How would you remove your own conscious perspective within time from existence as you currently experience it? Death won't work if you already exist consciously within space and time prior to that point in time. It's easier to assume you will continue forward in your own experience of time in some form beyond your current physical body. So rationally you don't really have the option of ceasing to be, you do have the option of a change in form however. To a certain extent you can figure this out it's not purely a faith thing.

, i may get bored after the first 5000 years. When I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.

We can establish you can't cease to exist if you already exist, you're a permanent fixture in the totality of existence. Yes may get bored of the physical pleasures of the flesh after 5000 years but the spiritual pleasures of God are limitless. You can of course experience some of that right now you don't have to wait until you die.

Just like it didn't exist for the billions of years before my birth, and that wasn't so bad.

That was before God created you and brought you into existence from nothing because you are a created being. This may have been sometime before you born/conceived but it's a little beyond what I know.

No it is not your decision at all, you are not choosing hell and eternal damnation. 'Do what I say or i'll kill you' there is no choice there.

You can have eternal life with God and in love or eternal life without God and without his love, that's essentially the choice you have. It's a fair enough choice as you're not being forced into anything you don't want.

He is all powerful isn't he? If he wanted he could get rid of all these problems. Butterfly children wouldn't need to exist if he made our genetic coding perfect. That doesn't seem to hard to do for an all powerful universe creator. BTW do you know why they are called butterfly children? Because they don't survive to adulthood. But its not their illness that kills them. They kill themselves because they can't bear the pain anymore. Please explain how a god that loves EVERYONE and (has the power to stop this), lets this happen

If he created us the way you're suggesting we wouldn't be humans but angels, they don't necessarily get to have their own freedom of will they carry out Gods will. But as humans we have the free choice and are able to exist in an interactive two way relationship with God.

That does not address what I just said. Unless you mean you develop a relationship with god through lifelong suffering and death. If that is the case, how many times have you separated the dermis from the epidermis of your skin? How many days have you spent in agonizing pain for no apparent reason. How many people do you know that have been killed in natural disasters? A god that loves everyone....what a joke.

The Bible and the gospels do heavily stress the suffering and pain of human life. It is part of the deal and part of our relationship with God. See for instance the Book of Job or Christs scourging and crucifixion, see the story of Genesis and humanities fall through sin. It's not exactly a book of cuddly bunnies and unicorns you know. But the suffering of this world isn't forever it's one small part of eternity. Seen through thios lens you can better endure what life has to throw at you with God as your refuge.

Well i'm sure that makes everyone who is suffering in the world feel better.

It most certainly does.

"For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him since you are going through the same struggle you saw I had, and now hear that I still have. Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind." Philippians 2:2

God understands human pain and misery, well fantastic! I'm sure all those starving aids ridden kids in africa are reassured by that.

More reassurance than you would give them.

This makes him even worse. He understands the suffering that people go through yet does nothing about it. This god certainly does not love everyone.

He has done something about it. Through Christs death on the cross and the coming eternal kingdom of heaven and through the grace he gives us that frees us from all sin. We haven't just been abandoned and cast off by God nor are we meaningless byproducts of a universe fated to die in decay ruin. We're part of one great eternal dance at the center of which is a man with holes through his hands that have pierced through with nails.

So the butterfly children (who were born with their condition) deserve the excruciating pain that they deal with everyday because....humans have free will. Disgusting

Because of the way we were made we evolved naturally, there are going to be genetic defects and mutations. People are going to suffer and die as we all will eventually that's what being a human is all about it can't be avoided. That's the bad new, but there is then there is the good news rejoice for he has risen!

Oh...so as long as there are slightly less people suffering than not suffering, that makes it ok. Pathetic.

No it doesn't make it ok. Atheists seem to think it is ok.



What about people who aren't enjoying their life? And I like the idea that the possible existence of God is something is worry about like it would be a disaster if he does.

Free will and freedom is an illusion. As Loki said (or something along the lines of) : Freedom is life's greatest lie. No one is free. Only the last human being in existence would truly be

"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32

But if God doesn't exist then you're right we wouldn't be.

Only if you want to abuse what the Godfather has given you and/or reject the Godfathers grace. See what I did there?

God(our heavenly)father more like.

I do not misunderstand him. I fully reject the idea of the Christian god

You don't reject the Christian God because you don't understand what the Christian God is or why people would place their faith in him.