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Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
(October 21, 2013 at 7:32 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Same goes for your own unproven opinions then. Go on the better arguments, there are better arguments for God than atheism.

Good thing atheism doesn't require arguments, considering it's not a claim, then.

Quote:But you have been pounded by well reasoned and valid arguments in favor of the belief in Gods existence. Note I'm not saying you can "prove" God the way you're demanding. You can't.

The fact that you believe that is legitimately the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. ROFLOL

Quote:Mainstream science doesn't accept fine tuning because it accepts materialist dogma. There's no other reason why it doesn't.

Methodological naturalism. Meaning the scientific method.

Oh, and what do you say about the religious scientists that also don't agree with you?

But hey, keep going with your conspiracy theories, they're so totally logical. Because scientists actually hate Nobel prizes and large sums of money, and so they'll deliberately ignore evidence that might point to the existence of a god, which would be literally the discovery of the millennium. The scientific community certainly wouldn't enjoy the fame and praise they would get for saving the souls of everyone on earth. No, your claim here makes total sense. Rolleyes

Quote:He interacts with humanity on a 24 hour basis. Miracles are very rare events but God has constructed his creation in such a way that there will be some kind of a context that would allow for them. They won't be "violations" of the natural order but are parts of the same design. No there is no proof for this but like you said if God exists then it will have to be a God who interacts with us and revealed himself through human history. Specifically in this case through the person of Christ.

So effectively you still can't demonstrate that he interacts, so you've just moved the problem one step back and given yourself yet another claim you cannot possibly demonstrate.

Quote:I may as well say you have no justification for your belief in materialism beyond "what mainstream science accepts" which is an argument from authority not your own reasoning.

Lucky that I'm not a materialist and you're a liar, then.

Quote:You have been told that atheism and a materialist view of the universe is rational so that's what you believe. You haven't explained why you think it's rational beyond "because scientists say so". Scientists don't have all the answers they just have their own specialist subjects. Most of them haven't studied philosophy or theology and science is perfectly well compatible with God.

I'm not a materialist. Quit lying. I don't see how we can have an effective conversation if you're committed to not arguing against my position, but instead some strawman that you've conjured.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer. - by Esquilax - October 21, 2013 at 8:10 am

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