Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

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But it's an individual thing.

I would say it's more an objective factual thing seeing as science is the tool we use understand the nature of the universe as we can observe, detect and measure and nothing else.

Yet other Christians might not agree. It's as reasonable to say that God planted dinosaur bones and fiddled with radioactive decay rates just to fool us, as it is to say that there is a god at all. When you start talking about a being that is entirely independent of the rules of life and matter and energy as we know them, anything- no matter how improbable- goes.

It has nothing to say about God as it's entirely neutral and is it's own independent subject.

I agree that science cannot take a position on the existence or nature of a being that is by definition not bound by any natural laws. But we certainly can use science to look at claims made by religious texts about the nature of the Earth itself, or its history. The problem is that once you start interpreting the holy text more metaphorically, how can you determine if ANYTHING in it is literally true? Where does that slippery slope level out?

You can say they are "dancing with unicorns".

Don't have time to watch the video now, but I like the term. But again, where is the hard line where you stop dancing with something real- like a horse, and start dancing with unicorns? My point is that there are so many gradations of belief among Christians that nearly everybody's theology is different from everyone else's. Everybody can find a way to torture religious tenets into a fit with their own understanding of the world or moral viewpoint. Literalists are on firmer theological ground, since they don't cherry-pick their god's word.

They're wrong because they're opening rejecting something we actually know about as a testable fact.

Happily, I agree. But how do you know that god isn't testing your faith with all the evidence for evolution? It sounds like something he would do. And since he can do anything, and often tests faith, why couldn't he be doing it to you? You may be in as much trouble as I am with him if he exists and if the literalists are right.

I'm not saying God is a testable fact but a faith. It can be reasonable faith.

I am open to the possibility that faith can be reasonable- I just haven't seen much of it. What is considered reasonable is open to interpretation, obviously.