RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm by MindForgedManacle.)
(October 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: So what made all these different physical dimensions and processes you're describing here and how did they form a universe precisely naturally balanced for life?
By definition, that spacetime block cannot have been 'created' because it represents a temporally pervasive (eternal, you might say) construction. To ask 'what' 'made' it is a nonsensical question because you're extrapolating your extremely narrow experience of things on Earth being created and assuming it applies to everything... except God. Your question here is as nonsensical as me asking you "Who/what made God?". To a metaphysical naturalist, all that exists is the natural world.
And the universe isn't balanced for life, the universe allows for life to BARELY exist on at least one planet, and even then on a climatological knife edge and with many natural processes (even our own Sun's radiation) that can kill it easily.
Quote:Of course life came from non-living material, even the Bible describes life as being akin to molded clay or dust from the Earth with a little of Gods spirit blown in.
Which is false. There is no moment where life springs forth from anything like dust in ANY abiogenesis model, which invalidates the Biblical account as unsupported by any evidence or theoretical model. The models I'm aware of (such as Harvard's Dr. Szozstak's account) deal with self-replicating molecules following chemical processes which eventually begins a sort of natural selection that results in complex enough chemical processes that we refer to as 'life'.
So nice try.
Quote:If it's part of the process in which life diversified and grew in increasing complexity over time, and it obviously did, then that's perfectly fine with the Biblical view of a purposefully made universe.
No it doesn't, because nothing in biological evolution is 'purpose-driven'. It's all essentially a result of natural processes and statistics. Things which are better adapted to survive in a given environment will propagate and spread their genes more efficiently. That's nothing like the Biblical account you liar.
Quote:Equally as well supported as theists if none of this would be evidence against God.
It's all evidence against God, hence why people involved in philosophy (about 73% atheist, 13% other, 13% theist) and the sciences are mostly atheists, and thus essentially take the general view of what the evidence supports that I've outlined.
Lying for Jesus isn't taken very well here SoC.