RE: Why atheism always has a burden of proof
October 21, 2013 at 7:41 pm
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2013 at 7:58 pm by Cheerful Charlie.)
(September 26, 2013 at 9:41 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: A few atheists here disagree about this, so I'll put my reasoning down here. But first some points:
-In the academic literature nobody moans about burden of proof. This is pretty much an internet thing.
-Proofs only exist in mathematics and alcohol. In the context of theism and atheism, we go by reason and evidence.
-Nevertheless, this is a burden of proof argument, so far as "burden of proof" means "You can't just make baseless assertions".
This entire argument depends on one axiomatic assumption:
-Positive claims carry a burden of proof.
Now the standard definition of atheism is "The denial of the existence of God, or the belief in the non-existence of God". This is a negation of theism which is "The affirmation or belief in of the existence of God".
Somewhere along the line, clever atheists discovered atheism was untenable with that definition. They couldn't prove or disprove squat about God. But they wanted to keep calling themselves atheists. So they redefined the word.
New definition: "lack of belief in God". This is clever. It effectively allows the atheist (or so they think) to escape any burden of proof. The theist has a burden, the atheist doesn't, and all the atheist has to do is claim the burden has not been met. Easy intellectual cop-out.
But I don't believe any position can successfully avoid a burden of proof, and to show why, I'll use atheism as an example. While atheism is defined as "a lack of belief" and thus makes no positive claim, atheism itself does not escape positive claims. What positive claim?
There are several, and they are all implicitly entailed by atheism.
a) The claim that the burden of proof for the existence of God has not been met.
b) The claim that atheism is a more rational position than theism.
(sometimes) c) The claim that theism is irrational.
You cannot be an atheist without affirming (a) and (b), and sometimes ©.
So if you are an atheist, you must affirm (a) and (b), and since they are positive beliefs, they entail a burden of proof.
If you assert there is a God, burden of proof is on you. In academia, most everybody understands burden of proof, and in professional journals editors and peer reviewers don't allow such games
2300 years ago, Plato essentially invented natural theology, attempts to prove God exists. 2300 years later theologians and professors of religious philosophy have admitted that after 2300 years there is no evidence for God. No one good argument that settles the issue in the affirmative.
Theology has not met the burden, and all Atheists have to do is point out that obvious fact of life. Beyond that, there is nothing left to do.
But atheism can in fact do more. The burden is not on atheism, but atheism can successfully take on the burden and succeed.
That is, strong atheism can examine the claimed attributes and nature if God and examine that logically. And God as defined by Bible, Quran et al presents a God that is hopelessly self contradictory and impossible. Proof in a logical sense that essentially demonstrates theology's omni-everything creator God cannot exist.
So burden of proof is back on your shoulders, but if after 2300 years on evidence has been found, I don't think you can demonstrate any.
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Cheerful Charlie
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If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain