RE: Strong Atheism - Omnigenesis
October 21, 2013 at 8:14 pm
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2013 at 8:38 pm by Cheerful Charlie.)
(October 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 21, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: will know the future in perfect detail
Your argument kind of falls apart there as God doesn't exist as an event in time he is eternal and uncreated. While time and space exist he is immanent/relational to time but he will also be transcendent beyond it being the creator of time and space. There's a good William Lane Craig book here.
(October 21, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: Contradiction. The OEC omni-everything creator God is logically self contradictory and impossible.
It's more that he isn't easy to understand within the limited confines of human reason, he isn't really supposed to make sense. Yet also he makes perfect sense as the lens for existence and human life.
The claim God knows the future in full detail is standard theological dogmas in both Christianity and Islam. Your word salad ignores the facts.
Download and read Martin Luther's 'Bondage of the Will" where he walks us through the relevant Bible verses.
"Free will is impossible" - Martin Luther
The Bible verses are clear, God has foreknowledge, and predestines all from eternity. Trying to whiffle them away with weasel words cannot be accepted.
Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Acts 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
And others.
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Isaiah 41
21 Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
God knows the future. Cult priests are challenged here to demonstrate their idols abilities of prophecy as does God.
A god that knows the future, and creates all is logically suspect.
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Cheerful Charlie
If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain
If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain
