RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 22, 2013 at 11:57 am
(October 21, 2013 at 5:40 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: By definition, that spacetime block cannot have been 'created' because it represents a temporally pervasive (eternal, you might say) construction.
What constructed it?
Quote: To ask 'what' 'made' it is a nonsensical question because you're extrapolating your extremely narrow experience of things on Earth being created and assuming it applies to everything... except God. Your question here is as nonsensical as me asking you "Who/what made God?". To a metaphysical naturalist, all that exists is the natural world.
Constructions require construction therefore a constructor.
Quote:And the universe isn't balanced for life, the universe allows for life to BARELY exist on at least one planet, and even then on a climatological knife edge and with many natural processes (even our own Sun's radiation) that can kill it easily.
So if the natural laws were tipped just a little either way life would no longer be possible? You would of course call this fine tuning.
Quote:Which is false. There is no moment where life springs forth from anything like dust in ANY abiogenesis model, which invalidates the Biblical account as unsupported by any evidence or theoretical model. The models I'm aware of (such as Harvard's Dr. Szozstak's account) deal with self-replicating molecules following chemical processes which eventually begins a sort of natural selection that results in complex enough chemical processes that we refer to as 'life'.
It will be some kind of process we don't as of yet know about but will rely 100% perfectly balanced natural laws. We only know how organic molecules are formed in early Earth conditions atm not how this formed into complex self replicator molecules but that's something for science to potentially discover if it is something that can be discovered. It's possible the creation of life wasn't something that happened on Earth panspermia is a possibility. Quite a fair amount you can speculate over but nothing that would particularly disprove God as far as I can see.
Quote:No it doesn't, because nothing in biological evolution is 'purpose-driven'.
If the universe as a whole was purposefully created with an intent then there will have been a intentional outcome as the Bible/Torah suggested. The precisely balanced nature of the natural laws and the eventual complex outcome we can observe do I would say strongly suggest something like. But you can believe differently if you like I can't stop you.
Quote: It's all essentially a result of natural processes and statistics.
Where did natural processes come from and aren't these statistics staggering for a coincidence?
Quote:Things which are better adapted to survive in a given environment will propagate and spread their genes more efficiently. That's nothing like the Biblical account you liar.
If the universe was intentionally created for life by God then it is very much like the Biblical account.
Quote:It's all evidence against God, hence why people involved in philosophy (about 73% atheist, 13% other, 13% theist) and the sciences are mostly atheists, and thus essentially take the general view of what the evidence supports that I've outlined.
You haven't explained why any of this is evidence against God not evidence for what God intentionally did.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.