RE: Strong Atheism starts from faith
January 29, 2010 at 2:01 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2010 at 2:12 pm by FaithvsFact.)
(January 21, 2010 at 11:18 am)chatpilot Wrote: To answer your questions to me FvF I do consider myself to be a strong atheist. I do not have faith in my contention that god exist, I am convinced that god does not exist due to the lack of evidence. I do not think it is my job to prove a negative, but I base myself on the evidence we have available for the existence of god. I personally don't see god anywhere in our natural world of order and chaos combined. Where do most people claim to see god? In visions, dreams, and revelations whether that be some experience of religious ecstasy or read it in a book claiming divine inspiration is irrelevant. None of these methods of detecting god are valid since they are completely subjective to the person claiming the experience, to the rest of us they are meaningless and require our faith in the word of the revealer.
Conveniently, as in all mythological creatures god exist outside of the natural realm according to his believers. Outside the reach of science and untestable in any way.
Hi Chatpilot. From the above you indicated that you are "convinced that god does not exist due to the lack of evidence". You'll probably find that I am interested in whether you are convinced god exists or does not exist ONLY TO THE EXTENT it proves you are a strong atheist. Believe it or not, I am not going to ask you to, as you say, "prove a negative" because that is not what I am interested in for the purposes of this post.
So, to me, I think you are a strong atheist (as opposed to a weak one) so if you haven't already, can I please ask you to answer the two questions, from your point of view, I posed in my OP. Apologies if you already have.
(January 29, 2010 at 1:56 pm)Tiberius Wrote: You got your answers. You won't be getting any more. There are very few strong atheists out there in the world, so consider yourself lucky you managed to get some answers.
Now present your case. Every post of yours seems to be more requesting us to do stuff, which comes across as rude. We don't have to bow to your wishes repeatedly. You've got some answers from some strong atheists, and even some weak atheists. Now use them to expand the discussion.
Whilst I would disagree that there are "very few strong atheists out there in the world" I am certainly keen on compiling the answers from the strong atheists who have replied.
There have been lots of answers but few from actual strong atheists so I will be drawing from only their replies otherwise the discussion will be diffused. I would also like to let the strong atheists decide for themselves whether or not they wish to keep giving answers rather than have you determine this for them.
So what I will be doing next is asking for any final answers from strong atheists to my OP, going through replies already given, identifying those who are strong atheists, and compiling the definitions they have given. Then I will summarise them, and then I shall proceed with the rest of the discussion.