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Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile
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RE: Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile
(October 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote:
(October 29, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I was reffering to the teaching of christ, not his action per se. However if you want to get into that then that is a whole can of worms on it's own.
For example Horus was born of the virgin isis
or dionysus who was killed and raised after three days
Oh that also include attis, mithras and krishna as well.
I think that you will find Christianity has very little in the way of originality.
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I'll admit myself freely here I think Jesus was a real person. And guess what it doesn't matter if Jesus existed or not you still can't prove he is the son of god. Even if I did grant you the virgin birth and the miracles, you still couldn't prove it.

Christ is the only instance where God humbles Himself to walk amongst men, the lowest of men, being born homeless Himself.

And you believe Christ was real. He claimed to be God and changed the face of God as we know it. You must come to one of two conclusions - He is either what He said, the Son of God, or He is a lunatic unlike any other lunatic every seen before or after Him. No where in history have so many in power been so threatened by a single "crazy" out in the streets, no one single "crazy" man has ever had such an impact on history, such a lasting impression, that even today we are posting about Him on a site designed around denying His power and His Father's existence.
Really because according to matthew jesus is born in a house
Matthew Wrote:Chapter 2 9-12


9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.
ANd who was threatened by the power of jesus? Did you know that not a single historian of the time records any mention of him at all, also no mention of a ecilpse at the time of death or of the dead walking the street, or a single writing from where he feeds the 5000. Nothing, not one first hand account of miracles, and not even contemporary account of his existence.

(October 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:
(October 29, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I was reffering to the teaching of christ, not his action per se. However if you want to get into that then that is a whole can of worms on it's own.
For example Horus was born of the virgin isis
or dionysus who was killed and raised after three days
Oh that also include attis, mithras and krishna as well.
I think that you will find Christianity has very little in the way of originality.

Set killed osiris and chopped him into 14 pieces and scattered them. Isis managed to recover 13 of them, but had to rebuild his phallus out of gold(I think). Then she then did the nasty with the frankenstein god and conceived horus with the aid of thoth's magic. Not quite what I call a virgin birth.

The Mithras/Jesus comparison is deceptive, since were actually two different cults. One pre-dates Jesus by a few centuries and is I think persian in origin. The later mithraic cult post-dates Jesus. This latter cult is the one from which the comparisons are drawn. The two cults have become conflated over time.

I'm not so hot on the others but I believe Dionysus became deified after being killed, so I'll leave it up to individuals to decide if parallels can be drawn or not
I was merely illustrating that the idea of resurrecting god is not new or original in christianity.
And btw Dionysus was considered the son of Zeus before he was ever killed and Mithras (the latter cult) was contemporary to Jesus.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile - by Chas - October 29, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile - by Lemonvariable72 - October 29, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile - by Ayen - November 3, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile - by Ayen - November 4, 2013 at 3:43 am

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