(October 30, 2013 at 12:16 am)Esquilax Wrote: Whoa, whoa! Stop! Hey now!
Those are not the only two options, and your false dichotomy does not stand. Jesus could also have been a liar, a religious figure who had miracle claims and so on attributed to him by others, one puffed up by rumors, a composite character of several real life figures, an adaptation of earlier polytheism and so on... picking only two conclusions and saying that we must come to them just does not reflect the situation at hand.
You correct before you understand.
Lemonvariable72 said that:
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I'll admit myself freely here I think Jesus was a real person.
and I believe that anyone that would stick to a bunch of outrageous claims (like being God) that would lead to His eventual death which He freely walked into without a fight is either a lunatic (what liar dies for his lies?) or He is what He said.
The comment came from the premise that He was a real person. If you don't agree with the premise to start then we can move no further.
Of course, Lemonvariable72 wiggled out of it by saying that there was no crucifixion, so . . . there you go.
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton
