(October 30, 2013 at 7:25 am)Esquilax Wrote:(October 30, 2013 at 1:11 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: The comment came from the premise that He was a real person. If you don't agree with the premise to start then we can move no further.
Of course, Lemonvariable72 wiggled out of it by saying that there was no crucifixion, so . . . there you go.
I understand the premise well enough, but even then your two choices are limited; you might notice that all but my last alternative possibility required at least one living figure to base the stories upon too. This Liar, Lunatic or Legend argument pops up from time to time, and though I don't think it's very effective, it's also rife with incorrect assumptions. Jesus could very well have existed, but willful deception isn't the only alternative to being the literal messiah.
Of course I don't think the crucifixation happened, I don't think the miracles did either or that nazereth was even a town then. Jesus was a nazerite? Yeah sure it's possible. What I think it was is that there was some man who was a nazerite preaching a doctrine of pacifism, in a political hot bed and his follower deified him.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
