RE: Christian Apologetics and Arguments are Futile
October 30, 2013 at 6:01 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2013 at 6:05 pm by GodsRevolt.)
(October 24, 2013 at 6:17 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:Quote:Your belief is not the same as truth. You make that mistake a lot.
OK, I think I see what you are saying, that one claim does not establish the other claim? Just because there is a God does not mean that he had Son. Just because people believed that Son was God does not mean that there was an actual person.
I think that I got a little confused with this paragraph here:
Quote:Does anyone else notice the insuperable disconnect between the philosophical arguments and the last 2 religious ones? If you establish with the first 3 that there is a Maximally Great Being who is the 1st Cause and fine-tuned the universe for life, and that there was a man 2000-ish years ago who claimed to be either a manifestation or prophet of said being (depends on your theology), and that Christians have powerful experiences that they assign to said being.
The second sentence appears to be setting up an if/then statement, but the "then" never really comes about.
I really apologize if I misunderstood you, and please don't take it as me misrepresenting you. I was only asking for clarification and presenting what I understood from it. If what I understood was wrong, I appreciate you putting the time into helping me out.
Also, I do not confuse my belief with certain truth. I have faith that my beliefs come together into a single truth. And to be honest, it often comes to be tested.
Just like I have noticed that some atheists in this forum do not define themselves as being 100% certain that there is no God, they only believe there is no God.
Or am I mistaken there as well? I didn't think that I was that old, but apparently things have changed since I was an atheist.
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton