My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :)

[theVOID]

Hey everyone. This is my first post. I'm confused so I'll apologize for the ramble that follows.

I've always been agnostic. My parents went to catholic school and were beaten on a regular basis so they decided to drop organized religion. We never went to church and never talked about religion or god... ever. I've always felt a very spiritual presence in my life - in the eyes of woman, the outdoors, the moon, the rain, mountains, deep meditation, writing music (not the analytical type). In other words you could say I'm agnostic, or an atheist or an agnostic atheist (what the hell am I? haha). I've NEVER believed in 1 or 100 gods, but I've always believed that god was everything - I worship nature, I can FEEL nature, and human connection and that there is a larger power and force at work in the world. I can't prove it... but you can't disprove it. My problem with Atheism in its sole dependence on the scientific method. It is simply a tool to break things down into categories, but creating categories is really just created by humans, its a human process.

You misunderstand what Atheism means for starters.

Atheism is not a belief system, it tells you nothing about what an individual believes, only that they do not have a belief in god(s).

Atheism is from the latin word Atheos, meaning A (without) Theos (belief in god), If you don't believe in a god you're an Atheist by definition. Agnosticism is an entirely different position and is about Knowledge, again from latin, the word Gnostic which means 'Knowledge' making the word Agnostic mean 'Without Knowledge' - Agnostic Atheism therefore is a lack of a belief of God, not a position that God certainly does not exist. Gnostic atheism is a position that claims that god does not exist.

By spiritual presence i assume you mean some outside force or something inside yourself lighting up? We all know that feeling speak about, people who believe in this fantastical spirit stuff and those who don't, we just don't subscribe to the idea that these things aren't anything but natural phenomenon, just part of being an sentient organic machine on a little blue dot in the vast regions of the cosmos.

In other words, we, as human beings, created EVERYTHING that can actually explain anything. The basis of Atheism seems to be, I'll believe only that which is proven with logic or experiments. But in actually proving anything, your using tools that humans designed. The scientific method was designed by us, just like the bible.

Science is a methodology for examining phenomenon in the universe, it relies on empirical evidence, testability, repeatability. In Science a massive network of relationships between phenomenon is described in a theory, such as the Theory of Relativity or the Theory of Evolution. These are frameworks that provide the best available description of the observable facts in a way that is testable, reliable and makes predictions about events or phenomenon not yet known, in cases hundreds of years before their discovery.

The Bible is a collection of stories that claims to be divinely authored. There is no reason at all to think that anything in that book was divinely inspired.

Even words are a tool that we designed ourselves... the fact that I read that my soul is created by a firing of neurons, or that love is a chemical reaction... neurons and chemical reactions are really just a matter focusing on one part of a bigger picture and labelling it. A neuron is just a word describing a part of you that YOU are focusing on right now at this moment. Not seeing the forest for the trees, or in other words, not seeing the soul or love for the neurons and chemical reactions... Science in general is really just breaking things down and breaking them down again, and labeling this and categorizing that... It seems like Atheism is based on a million illusions that we created ourselves to try and understand ourselves.

1) Nobody worth taking notice of claims that your soul is a firing of neurons, the people who believe in the soul don't want you to think that the soul could be just a word that describes a common natural feeling and the people who don't believe in the soul hate the word for how tainted and ambiguous is is and wouldn't use it to describe anything!

2) A Neuron is a single entity amongst 10^14 other neurons all linked to each other through a mesh forming a vast network of information that we experience as consciousness.

3) Science quantifies things because we learn more from understanding the parts and the parts of the parts etc, and the more we know the better off we all are from the new medicines, technology, agriculture etc it generates.

4) Imho looking deeper at the universe, breaking it all down into parts, helps unveil a far more profound and beautiful truth to the universe than any God myth or supernatural cop out.

But my FEELING of the divine, of spirituality, of ONE with the EARTH and the stars and universe... I can be the universe or I could be a single cell at the same time, its just how I am perceiving it in that moment (is this how Quantum Theory works in a sense too? I'm not THAT familiar with it.) F**k I'm confused

You've obviously been listening to complete bullshit if you think quantum theory states anything even remotely close to that. You should look into some real scientists describing actual quantum theory and how we don't understand it rather than the idiots who think that we can affect reality with our 'consciousness'. The people who spread the quantum consciousness bullshit seriously don't know a damn thing about Quantum theory, you ask them some simple questions about the theory and they can't answer, Deepak Chopra was asked on a lecture video by a student if he could describe Plank Length, an extremely simple feat for anyone who knows anything about QM, and Deepak couldn't answer. He's a guy who sells books on quantum healing and gives talks about Quantum consciousness but he couldn't even answer a stupidly simple question.

Isn't Atheism just believing in the scientific method which was created by us. Is Atheism giving humans too much credit? Isn't reality just our consciousness and what we are focusing on at the moment... thoughts? I need a beer

Atheism is no belief in god.

Reality exists regardless of whether or not anyone is there to see it.