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My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :)
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RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :)
(February 1, 2010 at 1:54 am)LoveandLight Wrote: That about sums it up. I have read some Atheistic arguments that REALLY pissed me off me because it resembles fundamentalist christianity pushing in the opposite direction.

I'm not trying to sound callous here, but so what? Just because some atheists piss you off that somehow is the fault of atheism? As pointed out before, atheism is not believing in gods. The reasoning behind this non belief is irrelevant for the position of atheism, and different from person to person.

Quote:So If I believe there IS a god, and there ARE supernatural forces and they are beyond what can be explained in both science and philosophy or logic because these are too simplistic (man made).

These are the tools we have to distinguish fact from fiction, as accurate and flawed as we can make it. What use is assuming something else is there if there is no way for us of verifying it's validity? That is why I do not believe, hence my atheism. You say it is because our methods are insufficient, then provide a better method and see if this gods hypothesis works then. As long as all tests for gods give no conclusive evidence, I see no reason to believe in one.

Quote:And I feel connected with the earth and the universe spiritually, and... what the hell am I?


Human?

Quote:Agnostic? And is there a "religion" out there, or books and philosophies that you could suggest? I guess I came here to look for a direction, a home.

Agnosticism has to do with knowledge of gods and whether or not gods can be known. Belief in gods is not covered by that. You can be agnostic and believe in a god or multiple gods, or be agnostic and not believe in any gods. You can also assert to be gnostic and believe or not believe. One can also be agnostic of many gods but claim gnosticism on the (non-)existence of a particular god.

Either way, gnosticism and agnosticism is not a middle ground position like some people pretend it to be. You either believe in gods or you don't. Whether you can back up that belief or non belief with knowledge is a totally different matter.

As for suggestions, I can't give you some magic book that will make you see "the truth". These things you need to figure out for yourself. You may arrive at totally different conclusions as I do and that is fine by me.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
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My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 1, 2010 at 1:09 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by KichigaiNeko - February 1, 2010 at 1:22 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 1, 2010 at 1:28 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 1, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 1, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by leo-rcc - February 1, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by downbeatplumb - February 1, 2010 at 2:51 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 1, 2010 at 2:03 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 1, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 1, 2010 at 3:07 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by downbeatplumb - February 1, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Eilonnwy - February 1, 2010 at 4:05 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 1, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 1, 2010 at 5:04 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by leo-rcc - February 1, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 1, 2010 at 5:36 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Eilonnwy - February 1, 2010 at 6:33 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Zen Badger - February 2, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by fr0d0 - February 1, 2010 at 5:13 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Meatball - February 1, 2010 at 5:42 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 1, 2010 at 6:04 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 1, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LEDO - February 1, 2010 at 8:15 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 1, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 1, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LEDO - February 1, 2010 at 9:34 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 1, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 1, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by downbeatplumb - February 7, 2010 at 7:06 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Watson - February 1, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 2, 2010 at 1:50 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 2, 2010 at 2:22 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Watson - February 2, 2010 at 2:47 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 2, 2010 at 2:53 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Watson - February 2, 2010 at 8:33 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Violet - February 2, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 2, 2010 at 6:40 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by leo-rcc - February 2, 2010 at 6:45 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Rhizomorph13 - February 2, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 2, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by KichigaiNeko - February 2, 2010 at 5:46 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Eilonnwy - February 2, 2010 at 9:42 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 2, 2010 at 2:07 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by LoveandLight - February 2, 2010 at 3:18 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Rhizomorph13 - February 2, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Zhalentine - February 2, 2010 at 4:32 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 2, 2010 at 6:03 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Eilonnwy - February 2, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Rhizomorph13 - February 2, 2010 at 5:05 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 2, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 2, 2010 at 7:17 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by padraic - February 3, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Edwardo Piet - February 5, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Welsh cake - February 7, 2010 at 5:24 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by padraic - February 7, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 7, 2010 at 8:20 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by padraic - February 7, 2010 at 8:46 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 7, 2010 at 9:02 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by tackattack - February 7, 2010 at 10:06 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by padraic - February 8, 2010 at 12:24 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 8, 2010 at 1:08 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by starbucks - February 8, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 8, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 8, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by starbucks - February 8, 2010 at 6:48 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 8, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 8, 2010 at 7:01 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by fr0d0 - February 8, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by starbucks - February 8, 2010 at 7:54 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 8, 2010 at 8:08 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by starbucks - February 8, 2010 at 8:28 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 8, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 3:18 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 3:20 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:22 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:56 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 12:20 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Rhizomorph13 - February 18, 2010 at 7:35 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by tackattack - February 18, 2010 at 8:16 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 12:54 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Autumnlicious - February 24, 2010 at 7:11 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by tavarish - February 24, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Darwinian - February 23, 2010 at 1:58 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by tackattack - February 23, 2010 at 5:47 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by Tiberius - February 24, 2010 at 8:09 pm
RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :) - by leo-rcc - February 25, 2010 at 4:33 am

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