RE: My issues with Atheism, Lets talk :)
February 1, 2010 at 8:49 pm
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2010 at 8:57 pm by LoveandLight.)
First of all, just to clear this up... I'm not a believer in organized religion. I never was. This is the first time I've contemplated this shit at ALL. I'm a music producer, I spend most of my time writing music, and going out with friends and traveling. But I've been obsessed with this shit for a month now and I just came here to babble a little bit, tell you my beliefs, possibly give you some insight into mine, and get some insight into yours. You can attack my ass and tell me I don't know shit (like most of you have), that my statements are worthless, etc. its pretty common among what I've read from Atheists... So yeah. Just a word of warning to ya. Your scaring a bunch of people away from the idea of Atheism by being a bunch of condescending pricks. Just letting ya know 
Secondly, I embrace the progress of science and I'm as eager as any atheist that humanity increases its knowledge of the universe. I was just questioning it when its used to throw concepts of god down the toilet. I appreciate it when you inform the theistic masses that their own ideas are outdated, but not in this way-
"then you're probably not an atheist because you have a concept of God that you believe in, regardless of how utterly useless it is."
You can say religion divides the human race, causes wars, etc. But what the hell would the world be without it? Its benefits are immeasurable, an inconceivable amount of art, music, culture, hope, faith, 95% of the shit you ENJOY when your not masturbating to data, has arisen out of ORGANIZED RELIGION and spirituality. And yeah there is an unwanted by-product of this - hillbillies and suicide bombers. What has science created? A better understanding of how the world and universe works, (nice, LOVE it), cures for diseases (its why my mom is still alive, THANKS!) an easier more convenient life (Love what my computer can do) and --- the by products? umm... the ability to produce copious amounts of waste products, pollution, chemicals, poisoning, a society that lives off pills/drugs fast food and oh yeah... the ability to kill 7 million people in 5 seconds... Science has given humans the ability to end all of civilization, so don't go knocking religion as if its useless, that faith is useless because your focusing only on all the bad things that have come out of it.
"However, it's important to realize that just because someone can't disprove, **IT DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY TO BELIEVE** (who are you to tell me what is okay?) Yeah we can't disprove it, but you can't prove it"
Yeah I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it. We could go on all day. Atheists believe it is the responsible of the other to prove there IS a god. I say... where the hell did all this matter, energy and its properties come from? From our own experience we know everything created has a creator. Why then should creation itself be different? How can a universe of mindless matter produce self replicating life? Have matter and energy have been around for infinity, I say that's speculation.
We both know there is something bigger than us - you would call it the universe and I would call it God. The warm feeling that I have, I wouldn't describe it as that. I feel humble in awe and I'm trying to explain something in a language beyond space in time. I'm talking about the limitation of the 5 senses... A worm cannot see, does that mean that picture of the galaxy you showed me doesn't exist.
"You seem to complain that atheists are somehow arrogant because we believe we can understand the world. I don't think you give humans and human intellect enough credit."
Exactlyyyy my point. I don't.
And this is where we differ -
In order to "believe" in God you seem to require a physical explanation. This is impossible because, as I've pointed out above, we're talking about something beyond the laws of physics. Super --- Natural. I think this is what Einstien and Dawkins speak about when they speak of god, and its what I feel with my entire being, so yeah I'm talking about my feelings and my intution because I believe theres more there. I don't even want to post this reply cuz you guys are gonna act like fuckin assholes... just bringing up the idea of opening your mind a little bit. Theistics should too.
And saying that Atheism is ONLY the disbeleif in god, that its not about cold hard logic. You ask me why should I believe in god? Wheres the evidence? Prove it. If you were then to believe it, I'm pretty sure I would have to use some cold hard logic on yo assssss..
Secondly, I embrace the progress of science and I'm as eager as any atheist that humanity increases its knowledge of the universe. I was just questioning it when its used to throw concepts of god down the toilet. I appreciate it when you inform the theistic masses that their own ideas are outdated, but not in this way-
"then you're probably not an atheist because you have a concept of God that you believe in, regardless of how utterly useless it is."
You can say religion divides the human race, causes wars, etc. But what the hell would the world be without it? Its benefits are immeasurable, an inconceivable amount of art, music, culture, hope, faith, 95% of the shit you ENJOY when your not masturbating to data, has arisen out of ORGANIZED RELIGION and spirituality. And yeah there is an unwanted by-product of this - hillbillies and suicide bombers. What has science created? A better understanding of how the world and universe works, (nice, LOVE it), cures for diseases (its why my mom is still alive, THANKS!) an easier more convenient life (Love what my computer can do) and --- the by products? umm... the ability to produce copious amounts of waste products, pollution, chemicals, poisoning, a society that lives off pills/drugs fast food and oh yeah... the ability to kill 7 million people in 5 seconds... Science has given humans the ability to end all of civilization, so don't go knocking religion as if its useless, that faith is useless because your focusing only on all the bad things that have come out of it.
"However, it's important to realize that just because someone can't disprove, **IT DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY TO BELIEVE** (who are you to tell me what is okay?) Yeah we can't disprove it, but you can't prove it"
Yeah I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it. We could go on all day. Atheists believe it is the responsible of the other to prove there IS a god. I say... where the hell did all this matter, energy and its properties come from? From our own experience we know everything created has a creator. Why then should creation itself be different? How can a universe of mindless matter produce self replicating life? Have matter and energy have been around for infinity, I say that's speculation.
We both know there is something bigger than us - you would call it the universe and I would call it God. The warm feeling that I have, I wouldn't describe it as that. I feel humble in awe and I'm trying to explain something in a language beyond space in time. I'm talking about the limitation of the 5 senses... A worm cannot see, does that mean that picture of the galaxy you showed me doesn't exist.
"You seem to complain that atheists are somehow arrogant because we believe we can understand the world. I don't think you give humans and human intellect enough credit."
Exactlyyyy my point. I don't.
And this is where we differ -
In order to "believe" in God you seem to require a physical explanation. This is impossible because, as I've pointed out above, we're talking about something beyond the laws of physics. Super --- Natural. I think this is what Einstien and Dawkins speak about when they speak of god, and its what I feel with my entire being, so yeah I'm talking about my feelings and my intution because I believe theres more there. I don't even want to post this reply cuz you guys are gonna act like fuckin assholes... just bringing up the idea of opening your mind a little bit. Theistics should too.
And saying that Atheism is ONLY the disbeleif in god, that its not about cold hard logic. You ask me why should I believe in god? Wheres the evidence? Prove it. If you were then to believe it, I'm pretty sure I would have to use some cold hard logic on yo assssss..
