Perhaps you should do your own independent research on these topics instead of coming here and asking us to do the research for you and present to you our findings.
I accidentally closed out my first reply while switching from an article, so I'm re-writing it with only the most important parts, but your post contains a lot more logical flaws that I highlight.
The laws rarely ever break down into numbers beautifully; you only get that misconception because all of your school career the problems were made so that you get nice numbers. We cannot also understand all of the universe. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is an example that comes to mind. "Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that certain pairs of physical properties, like position and momentum, cannot both be known to arbitrary precision" (it is talking about electrons)
We also do not put our "faith" into numbers. All the mathematics we use are based off of proofs. If you look at any subject in math closely, it all boils down to the basics.
Someone in your post you asked where our laws come from, and the answer is that no one knows. Just because we do not have an answer for that does not mean a higher being made those laws. If that is your line of thinking, then try to comprehend what laws govern that higher being? Eventually you'll have to come to the conclusion that thats the way it has always been. Why not cut out the middle man of this and conclude that the universe has always had these laws?
You can worship anything you want to. Your beliefs reflect the views of Pantheists. Also, the plane isn't flying only because of the laws, the plane is flying because there are gas molecules (which make up our air) in the sky. Why do you think planes cannot fly in space? All the laws are still there in space, it just lacks the air.
I probably would have taken the time to re-write my entire post, but this sentence pissed me off. If you're not going to take the time to proof read your posts, then it seems selfish to ask us to research facts and take the time to make thoughtful posts. We could spout the same illogical bullshit that you are, but that is not what makes this forum great. The forum takes the time to research accurate points and not spout out random shit that comes into their brain without evidence to back it up.
You're using the word antithesis wrong, perhaps you're confusing it with another word? Anyways, gravity is caused by mass. Everything with mass has gravity. You can not have faith in anything, it doesn't effect the laws. Just because someone does not have faith in gravity does not mean that everyone else is going to suffer the consequences of us going into the sun. Also, we do not plunge into the sun because the earth is already moving. If the Earth was put stationary into Sun's gravitational pull we would be sucked into it. The same is true for why the moon does not get drawn straight into the Earth.
I accidentally closed out my first reply while switching from an article, so I'm re-writing it with only the most important parts, but your post contains a lot more logical flaws that I highlight.
(February 2, 2010 at 3:18 pm)LoveandLight Wrote: But its all governed by laws and rules that cannot be broken. The laws breaks down into numbers BEAUTIFULLY, perfectly, we can understand it all, the Universe, the quantum level, WITHOUT ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING IT because it all somehow fits into this language of numbers, this language of the universe. We put all of our faith in them, we solve problems and understand the universe because of our faith in numbers.
The laws rarely ever break down into numbers beautifully; you only get that misconception because all of your school career the problems were made so that you get nice numbers. We cannot also understand all of the universe. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is an example that comes to mind. "Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that certain pairs of physical properties, like position and momentum, cannot both be known to arbitrary precision" (it is talking about electrons)
We also do not put our "faith" into numbers. All the mathematics we use are based off of proofs. If you look at any subject in math closely, it all boils down to the basics.
Someone in your post you asked where our laws come from, and the answer is that no one knows. Just because we do not have an answer for that does not mean a higher being made those laws. If that is your line of thinking, then try to comprehend what laws govern that higher being? Eventually you'll have to come to the conclusion that thats the way it has always been. Why not cut out the middle man of this and conclude that the universe has always had these laws?
Quote:These LAWS!!! And can I worship them? can I get on my fucking knees and look at this 7000 pound piece of metal flying over my head and say "That is amazing!!! If there were no laws that plane would fall out of the sky... or I would fly INTO the sky. These laws that govern everything that is and ever was, I want to worship the order of things, the numbers that allow us to understand. So what does that make me? Am I an Atheist?
You can worship anything you want to. Your beliefs reflect the views of Pantheists. Also, the plane isn't flying only because of the laws, the plane is flying because there are gas molecules (which make up our air) in the sky. Why do you think planes cannot fly in space? All the laws are still there in space, it just lacks the air.
Quote:I'm sorry if my grammar and english is bad I didn't even read over this...
I probably would have taken the time to re-write my entire post, but this sentence pissed me off. If you're not going to take the time to proof read your posts, then it seems selfish to ask us to research facts and take the time to make thoughtful posts. We could spout the same illogical bullshit that you are, but that is not what makes this forum great. The forum takes the time to research accurate points and not spout out random shit that comes into their brain without evidence to back it up.
Quote:Gravity attracts us to it, but what is antithesis of gravity? Its momentum and motion right? So, what created momentum? I can't see it, or touch it or smell it... its invisible, but we must have faith in it or we would plunge into the sun right?
You're using the word antithesis wrong, perhaps you're confusing it with another word? Anyways, gravity is caused by mass. Everything with mass has gravity. You can not have faith in anything, it doesn't effect the laws. Just because someone does not have faith in gravity does not mean that everyone else is going to suffer the consequences of us going into the sun. Also, we do not plunge into the sun because the earth is already moving. If the Earth was put stationary into Sun's gravitational pull we would be sucked into it. The same is true for why the moon does not get drawn straight into the Earth.
