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Challenge to atheists: I find your lack of faith disturbing!
RE: Challenge to atheists: I find your lack of faith disturbing!
(November 6, 2013 at 4:58 am)Aractus Wrote: I have "pulled" nothing out of the air.
Actually, I agree. I see what you've done here. You've used folklore, assumed everything about it to be true and then created artificial dates that conform to your assumptions.

As an aside, I especially love the way you can tout scholarly consensus when it suits you and then ignore it or discount it when it doesn't. Scholarly consensus on the dates of authorship, which actually are generous to Christians as they use the earliest possible dates, is Mark around 70 CE and the others came later.

The authorship of the Gospels is actually quite dubious, even among Christian Bible scholars. The NRSV 3rd Edition (Oxford University Press) states in it's introduction of Mark and Luke that their authorship is given by "tradition" and "scholars find little evidence to support this claim". In particular with Luke, "little is known of him" except that he was believed to be a physician traveling with Paul.

But you employ this beautifully backward reasoning to establish your preferred early dates seemingly, judging by your post, in the following manner:

1. ASSUMPTION: The Bible is true
2. ASSUMPTION: The attributed authorship is accurate
3. ASSUMPTION: The folklore about the Bible and its attributed authors are true
4. COROLLARY: The dates couldn't be later than X because otherwise it wouldn't fit with the folklore and we know the folklore is true (see 3).
5. CONCLUSION: Getting the early dates you propose

Let me throw a monkey wrench in some of your assumptions. First, would you agree that ...? :

1. Luke wrote The Gospel According to Luke
2. Luke wrote The Acts of the Apostles

If so, I'd like to ask a few other questions. Would you agree that ...? :

1. The event where the resurrected Jesus, after appearing to his followers, rose up into the sky is a rather important and memorable detail in the story
2. If Luke wrote both books, than both books should agree on that point

Now, when did Jesus rise up into the sky after his resurrection?

Gospel of Luke: On the day of his resurrection
Quote:Luke 24:50-51
And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Quote:Acts of the Apostles: 40 days after the resurrection
Acts 1:3-9 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
...And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

I could go into more contradictions between the Gospel of Luke and Acts but that should suffice for now. I look forward to reading the mental contortions you engage into square this circle.
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RE: Challenge to atheists: I find your lack of faith disturbing! - by DeistPaladin - November 6, 2013 at 12:56 pm

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