(November 6, 2013 at 10:45 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: The etymological origins of the word agnostic don't inform it's role as a belief vs knowledge. It defines what agnostic means.
And apparently what defines its role in this is the singular opinion of some random with a Batderp avatar?
Quote:A + Gnosis is a negation of knowledge, namely the claim that "It is impossible to know whether God exists or does not exist."
Yeah, negation of knowledge, just like asymmetry is a negation of symmetry, and not just something without symmetry.
Besides, for some reason you've dialed back the claim in question: the issue that agnosticism and atheism concerns itself with is whether or not a god exists, not whether or not it's impossible to know if one does.
Quote:Applying the label agnostic to oneself, it makes no difference whether you "believe" or "know" that "it is impossible to know whether God does or does not exist".
I'm really at a loss as to why you've chosen to phrase the claim like that.
Quote: But ultimately, these labels serve as ideological labels, so instead of postulating contradictory knowledge (Ie, one group knows God exists, another group knows God doesn't exist- contradiction alert), we just state it in terms of beliefs.
That's why it's a claim of knowledge, and not outright knowledge itself. Two entities can claim to know mutually contradictory things, though obviously only one may be true.
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