RE: Strong Atheism starts from faith
February 5, 2010 at 10:28 am
(This post was last modified: February 5, 2010 at 10:39 am by FaithvsFact.)
In continuing on from my OP, I've identified there are probably two self-admitted strong atheists in this thread:
ChatPilot (posts #30, 37, 59, 67, 87)
Binny (post #36)
I believe there could be more (please sing out if there are on this thread and if so please reply to my two questions in my OP) but the remainder appear not to be strong atheists. I obviously do not include any Christians who might be answering questions.
The title of this thread is that "Strong Atheism starts from faith". To repeat from my OP, the scope of this post is NOT to prove that God exists or not (although of course, as a Christian, I already have a position on that). This is best left to another thread/ forum altogether. As I said earlier, I am only interested in replies to whether God exists or not (whatever concept of God is chosen) ONLY TO THE EXTENT it establishes whether you are a strong atheist or a weak atheist.
Both ChatPilot and Binny have given, in various ways, their answers to my two questions in my OP which were:
(1) Please define what you consider to be the basis or method for establishing fact
(2) Please define what you consider to be faith, and how do you see this is different from fact?
They have both, in their own ways, defined what is fact, and how it is established. They have also defined, in their own ways, what is faith, and how this is different from fact.
Can I please confirm there are no more strong atheists in this forum as I would like to gain the biggest survey sample, first if possible, otherwise I will continue with my discussion based on the answers ChatPilot and Binny have given.
LOL Eilonnwy, if you read my OP I very clearly say what my end is: I am asserting that the strong atheist starts from a position of faith, based on their definitions of faith. I am working now to discuss/ establish this based on actual answers from strong atheists out there. Some do exist on this forum so it is they who are the focus of my thread if they are willing to participate.
ChatPilot (posts #30, 37, 59, 67, 87)
Binny (post #36)
I believe there could be more (please sing out if there are on this thread and if so please reply to my two questions in my OP) but the remainder appear not to be strong atheists. I obviously do not include any Christians who might be answering questions.
The title of this thread is that "Strong Atheism starts from faith". To repeat from my OP, the scope of this post is NOT to prove that God exists or not (although of course, as a Christian, I already have a position on that). This is best left to another thread/ forum altogether. As I said earlier, I am only interested in replies to whether God exists or not (whatever concept of God is chosen) ONLY TO THE EXTENT it establishes whether you are a strong atheist or a weak atheist.
Both ChatPilot and Binny have given, in various ways, their answers to my two questions in my OP which were:
(1) Please define what you consider to be the basis or method for establishing fact
(2) Please define what you consider to be faith, and how do you see this is different from fact?
They have both, in their own ways, defined what is fact, and how it is established. They have also defined, in their own ways, what is faith, and how this is different from fact.
Can I please confirm there are no more strong atheists in this forum as I would like to gain the biggest survey sample, first if possible, otherwise I will continue with my discussion based on the answers ChatPilot and Binny have given.
(February 5, 2010 at 10:03 am)Eilonnwy Wrote:(February 5, 2010 at 8:41 am)FaithvsFact Wrote: Well I'm glad you say "most" because clearly there are some atheists who do make that claim! And they are the ones I am most interested in for the purposes of this post. I am going through everyone's replies and picking out who the strong atheists are. I previously said that you are not one of them so I will continue.
To what end? You may pick up a few hard lined atheists who fit the definition that you are desperately searching for, but whatever you prove about them will not bolster your stance as a Christian.
LOL Eilonnwy, if you read my OP I very clearly say what my end is: I am asserting that the strong atheist starts from a position of faith, based on their definitions of faith. I am working now to discuss/ establish this based on actual answers from strong atheists out there. Some do exist on this forum so it is they who are the focus of my thread if they are willing to participate.
