Pauline Letters to the church.

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Might makes right got it, You know that basically mean your god is evil as hell if he decides to got that morality, instead of following Moral utilitarianism right?

Might makes right for the entire history of the world. We like to pretend that 'we' in this age are better than that, but we are not. Lets look at the nazis again. In the beginning the winners of WWI told germany because we are mighter than you, you will have to pay for the damage you caused. Then Germany rebelled when they relized that what was left of europe could not enforce their demands. Then the Germans began to round up jews because they were stronger than the jews. This practice became one's 'moral obligation to the father land.' Then they slaughtered them under the demands of their moral obligations. Till 'we' (bigger and stronger) said that was wrong, and we made them stop.

Okay will disagree that has been often the result in history, no argument there. However ww2 if your going to use that as a example, then you must know that biggest reason they rebelled on the treaty of versaille was because of hitler, bluntly put nobody else in leadership of the weimar republic had the balls to do it. The same hitler that rose to power on a explicitly anti semetic platform because of centuries of lutheran and catholic doctrine scape goating jews.

ANd I'm sure such a important point would be very clear and detailed in the bible given if it was true right?

Indeed it is that is why Thier is a whole book dedicated to it.

Name it then

That's utter bullshit. Your god can't even be objectively proven to exist, but yet all of our morality is based from him?

No. Morality ALL Morality is a farse. It is an ever changing scale based on the evil man will allow in his soceities. God tell us that we and out morality are dirtier than used menstral rags to Him. That the only way we can cleans ourself is through redemption.

Bare assertion, even if god is saying it. And no it is not a ever changing scale at all, if it was there would be atleast one society where random murder was okay. Name one.

The same god that would have you kill your wife if she stop believing?

Book chapter and verse?

Deuteronomy 13
13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

I personally recommend moral utilitarianism because it can be aptly demonstrated that it makes the world a far better place when applied on a large scale. It's where your human rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness come from come from.

Until you wander into a different society or even outside the bounds of your current generation.

No the rules of " the action that maximizes pleasure and minimizes pain for the most number of people" does not change.

you do have a citation to back up that little 'fact' outside of 'ihategodandiwillmakecrapupinordertodisprovehim.com don't you? Of course you don't.

Sure do
http://www.evidenceforchristianity.org/h...fulfilled/
http://www.sanityquestpublishing.com/ess...Egypt.html
http://claudemariottini.com/2006/10/13/n...f-babylon/

What are you talking about? These are all anti God sources I specifically asked if you had non-antiChristianity sources to quote from. Like I did I left quotes from the encyclopedia britinica, wiki, and one from some school. None of which were biased in trying to prove the existance of God nor were they trying to disproove it. They were simply reporting the defeat of Egypt at the Hands of King Nebacanezzar, which you said did not happen.

so I ask again do you have a legit source or just anti God web sites who are lying to people like you (People who do not care enough about truth to check their facts.) I believe sinny calls them sh-eople.

Read agian. One is apologetics site even

funny the NIV, NASB, and RSV all say nile.

And all three are translated from the Hebrew word I provided you.

So they lied when they translated the bible then

Yeah, pretty much every generation since christ has made that claim.

My claim was that ALL THE RIVERS OF EYGPT HAVE DRIED UP JUST LIKE THE PROPHESY SAID, unless there is a flood situation. The Nile Is not a river only of Eygpt. It goes through a dozen or so other countries.

As far as it drying up, I said give it time.

You still made the jesus is comming claim but whatever I do no care if you did or not. Fact is it does not matter if all the river dried up or not the prophecy is still unfulfilled.

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This says do not marry an unbeliever. It does not say run from them.


You guys kill me, are you so desperate to make a point you would think I would not verify your passage?
4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. 5 And when they arrived in Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews. They also had John as their assistant.

6 Now when they had gone through the island[a] to Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was Bar-Jesus, 7 who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man. This man called for Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.”

Clearly Paul is speaking a specific indivisual/self proclaimed wizard..

You believe in wizards? What about unicorns and dragons, there in there too

I can almost predict your response that is why I used the word wizard rather than 'sourcer' Which that word/term used in the bible. in the greek is the same base word we get the word pharmacology. (or more specifically in this context a medicine man/witch doctor.) So that said despite what I believe the passage above written in the book of Acts has paul rebuking a witch doctor or wizard for his practices. Something you omitted and pretended that this rebuke was for all non believers rather than to one specific person.

That said, before i blast you for ignoring context and went for the attempt for a quick dismissal, do you want to address the actual content of my message?
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Well do you believe in magic?
either way in this situation we basically have a man paul has condemned on zero evidence.