Illinois to become 15th state to recognize marriage equality

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

Yeah, from a few fringe examples, and I'd say that it was even uncommon and looked down upon in societies where homosexuality was rather "acceptable", or outright non-existent.
Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Go to any place on earth, ask any of the 72 nations of the world, and every tribe on every island across the seven seas, and they will attest to this fact.

I'm not claiming that the number is huge, but the precedent is there. Even if there weren't any examples, the fact that 'it's always been that way' just isn't good enough. I gave examples of other traditions, do you support the continuation of those? Slavery has been present in almost all of history, should we allow it because 'it's always been that way'? I'd like to think we can move beyond the archaic discrimination in our past

Infertile people are not infertile because they want it so. They are so because some misfortune has befallen them. Most of them usually discover their infertility after they get married and think about having children.

But there are people who choose to be infertile. There are also those who discover they're infertile before they marry.

However, these do not go against the fact that marriage is connected to the institution of family, hence the terms used for children born within and outside of the wedlock, marriage does matter, and its primary purpose is to provide the next generation with the family and family values it always espoused.

But if 2 people can constitute a family, what does it matter if they're the same gender?

What makes you think that a homosexual couple can't have family values?

I bet I can show you a damn sight more examples of dysfunctional families with heterosexual parents than you can with homosexual parents.

The sanctity of marriage lies in its importance for society. Not in religion.

But I have seen from people that support this madness, to be quite devoid of any regard for anything, they hold nothing sacred, not society, nor traditions, nor what marriage actually means or represented for cultures since the time it was practiced.

There will be some, yes. There will also be a hell of a lot more that do hold all those things in high regard.