Illinois to become 15th state to recognize marriage equality

[Ryantology]

Well, interpret it as you wish, I can't tell you how to think.
But marriage is not something that is built on interpretations, its built on traditions,it is built on its relevance to society. The relevance of marriage to society was to create an environment where the familial institution would flourish. That's about it. Its there to provide people with responsibilities, regarding society and the future of society, the children.

It would seem as though marriage is built on interpretations. In 15 states in my country, homosexual marriages are considered equal in the eyes of the law. You can interpret marriage however you want, but homosexual marriages in those states are treated as equal to my own. And, funny thing, my marriage has not in any way been harmed by this fact.

Homosexuals on the other hand did not have a comparable responsibility to the propagation of society as heterosexuals did, so they never were included in the marital institution. It's as simple as that. Its not something open to your, or my interpretation.

Again, there are 15 United States in which marriage is now officially no longer only about child rearing. Because, in practice, it never was just about child rearing. And, it's no less about child rearing now because straight people are in no way hindered from raising children, which makes opposition to gay marriage on this basis stupid to an extraordinary degree.

And it was like that for a reason, that's all I'm saying.
You on the other hand deny that there was such a reason.
You're in fact, denying marriage itself.

And it's not, now. For a reason. Marriage has no singular, objective definition and that doesn't change just because you've arbitrarily decided otherwise.

Civilisation is inseperable from marriage and family.
However, civilisation can very well exist without the homosexuals roam ing free with their sexual identities and laying claims on things that they never owned, such as marriage.

Civilization will in no way be impaired by people marrying and not having children. It's hardly as if the world is facing an underpopulation crisis, for fuck's sake.

However civilisation cannot exist without people having children, and certainly not without having children in a stable environment(that is marriage and the traditional family) that includes the people that were involved in the baby-making process.

How will gay people marrying stop straight people from having children?

Again, living in huts, growing crops and practicing animal husbandry has relevance to society, it provides people with shelter, and a semi-sustainable food source. So does marriage and family institution provide people with a set of responsibilities to raise children in a more secure and more stable environment, while keeping random-sexual relations at a minimum, and the population stable.

So, you've decided these things are important. Does that mean that the traditions of nomads are wrong and inferior?

What sort of a relevance does it have for us to grant marital rights to homosexuals?
It's not something that is done to benefit society, its done solely to please a minority.

Extending equality to all individuals, rather than trying to exclude them from society for arbitrary reasons, is of undeniable benefit to everybody.

It really doesn't impress me that you appeal to an entirely different topic to justify your position in this topic. These are not even on the same level, as again, sexual minorities are a lot, lot less relevant to social issues than ethnic/racial minorities are.

It really doesn't impress me that you dodged the questions and justified your cowardice in the stupidest way possible.

On another note, Lion IRC has suddenly become remarkably silent in this thread for some reason.