(November 19, 2013 at 3:24 am)Aractus Wrote:(November 18, 2013 at 2:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Where was the evidence for christ in that lot?Perhaps you should read his question more carefully, that isn't what he asked, this is what he asked:
Um no, there is no contemporary outside evidence during the alleged time of the character's existence.
(November 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You gave me pictures from what an apology website? You do know the difference between historical archeologists and theologians right? You also know that "Jesus" was a common name back then.a. Pfft, hardly - you can see for yourself how many different websites the pictures are on, I simply searched for the images and posted them for you.
b. What does any of what I just gave you have to do with the name Jesus?
Quote:"Pauls"? you proved the existence of a writer? None of the gospels were written during the alleged character's life.That's true for anyone else from that period in history - go find me something written on Josephus from the time of his life, or something written on Pontius Pilatus or something written on Julius Caesar, etc. And just because you find a bust or some coins or some other monument like say a mile marker, doesn't count as finding a written record since this is what you clearly expect to find - so go and produce them for other people from the ancient world, if you can?
Oh wait - I can. James, Peter, Paul and Luke all write about living contemporaries in their works, no one disputes this, so see if you can find the same level of evidence for anyone else from that time.
Quote:The Romans during the alleged life of your ficitonal super hero would have taken notice of this uppity guy, no record DURING THE time frame in question of the Romans ever noticing. The Romans were also excellent sensus takers.There's no outside written record of Pontius Pilatus, and yet he held office. There's almost no outside written record of Quirinius, and he held office.
We have busts of Herod the Great - but guess what? That's right, no contemporary writings.
Your expectations are completely unrealistic.
Quote:Oh and you also know that forgery was rampant back then. No different than faking a autographed baseball. The shroud is the biggest fraud people know about.Obviously forgery was rampant, that's why there are gnostic texts.
The sources quoted are bias. Of course they are going to make those claims. Again no different than Muslim "historians" pointing to their books and claims and "history".
None of the objects you showed in those pictures proves anything about invisible sky heros anymore than pointing to Iraq or Iran or Mecca proves Allah to be the one true god.
Otherwise because the Egyptians depicted their royalty and priests interacting with gods must make their gods real.
It takes TWO sets of DNA to make a baby, so your magic baby Jesus is a bullshit story. Human flesh does not survive rigor mortis so your zombie god death story is also bullshit. Regardless of existence. Humans are not gods and gods do not exist, not yours not any.
The sources you quoted are bias. All they prove is that humans are capable of making up bullshit. Just like the sun is not a god.


