The written records as evidence

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

Aractus, you should know better. Even if the Glorified Jesus came down from the sky and shook their hand, this band of atheists would find some reason not to believe it was true.

Not true. I'd ask him what the fuck god was taking when when he designed the platypus

[The Valkyrie]

Aractus, you should know better. Even if the Glorified Jesus came down from the sky and shook their hand, this band of atheists would find some reason not to believe it was true.

Not true. I'd ask him what the fuck god was taking when when he designed the platypus

LSD.

I thought that had been established.

I'd also ask why he decided to manifest himself as his own son in an obscure part of the world like Judea instead of in the middle of Rome or in China which were, at the time, the centres of civilization.

[Brakeman]

Aractus, you should know better. Even if the Glorified Jesus came down from the sky..

Ah ha!!! That's where the bastard's been hiding, in the sky! I'mma gonna tell the civil air patrol to be on the lookout. Maybe the air force can get a lock on him and blow his triune ass outta the sky.

[Aractus]

Who's 'we' white man?

You may be satisfied stating that, but blithely lumping everyone together as if it's an unassailable certainty goes too far.

Edit: This^, is in response to the question of a historical Jesus.

Again, I'm talking about the things widely accepted that historians are certain about. For instance they're quite certain about the Holocaust. Just because there may be a few crazy people out there who disagree, doesn't change large overwhelming consensus’s.

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Um no, there is no contemporary outside evidence during the alleged time of the character's existence.

Um, yes there is - what do you call this?



Here's more:





Those are from the time of Christ, then we also have plenty more from the time of the disciples (when the NT books were originally written) like this:



Caiaphas Ossuary
Yehohanan Ossuary


And of course plenty of valuable material from the 2nd century as well like this:



No contemporary outside evidence my arse.

[downbeatplumb]

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Um, yes there is - what do you call this?



Here's more:





Those are from the time of Christ, then we also have plenty more from the time of the disciples (when the NT books were originally written) like this:



Caiaphas Ossuary
Yehohanan Ossuary


And of course plenty of valuable material from the 2nd century as well like this:



No contemporary outside evidence my arse.

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Where was the evidence for christ in that lot?

[Silver]

Where was the evidence for christ in that lot?

You need to have faith that the evidence is there.

[Captain Colostomy]

Proof of the Holocaust isn't film footage of Hitler at the '36 Olympics and Anne Frank's diary. Corroborating evidence, perhaps. Likewise coins and boat hulls for Jesus.

Wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which hand gets filled.

[Brian37]

Aractus, you should know better. Even if the Glorified Jesus came down from the sky and shook their hand, this band of atheists would find some reason not to believe it was true.

Not true. I'd ask him what the fuck god was taking when when he designed the platypus

I'd ask the fucker why he gave us such a crappy home and why he needs attention himself. Doing the right thing is doing it even when no one gives you attention for doing it.

The soldiers who died on D-day were a real sacrifice. Most outside their own families will never know their names. Jesus as the story claims didn't stay dead and committed his fake suicide for attention.

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Who's 'we' white man?

You may be satisfied stating that, but blithely lumping everyone together as if it's an unassailable certainty goes too far.

Edit: This^, is in response to the question of a historical Jesus.

Again, I'm talking about the things widely accepted that historians are certain about. For instance they're quite certain about the Holocaust. Just because there may be a few crazy people out there who disagree, doesn't change large overwhelming consensus’s.

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Um no, there is no contemporary outside evidence during the alleged time of the character's existence.

Um, yes there is - what do you call this?



Here's more:





Those are from the time of Christ, then we also have plenty more from the time of the disciples (when the NT books were originally written) like this:



Caiaphas Ossuary
Yehohanan Ossuary


And of course plenty of valuable material from the 2nd century as well like this:



No contemporary outside evidence my arse.

You gave me pictures from what an apology website? You do know the difference between historical archeologists and theologians right? You also know that "Jesus" was a common name back then.

"Pauls"? you proved the existence of a writer? None of the gospels were written during the alleged character's life.

None of this proves shit but that the religion was successfully marketed. Otherwise since we can find depictions of Osirus Horus and Isis makes them real gods.

The Romans during the alleged life of your ficitonal super hero would have taken notice of this uppity guy, no record DURING THE time frame in question of the Romans ever noticing. The Romans were also excellent sensus takers.

Everything you posted proves that people fell for the writer's stories AFTER THE FACT.

But again, none of this would prove shit, even if we found the DNA of Jesus tomorrow to make magic babies born of virgins real, nor would it make surviving rigor mortis real.

"Jesus existed" if you could prove it, would mean one thing and one thing only, that a MERE MAN started a cult and got it successfully marketed. There are no such things as gods or magic men with super powers.

Bayler University? HA.

You know Muslims have colleges in their countries too, I am sure they point to their "historians" too and say "look look look, this crap here proves Mo existed so he was the one true prophet of the one true god Allah.

Yawn.

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Oh and you also know that forgery was rampant back then. No different than faking a autographed baseball. The shroud is the biggest fraud people know about.

[Aractus]

Where was the evidence for christ in that lot?

Perhaps you should read his question more carefully, that isn't what he asked, this is what he asked:

Um no, there is no contemporary outside evidence during the alleged time of the character's existence.

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You gave me pictures from what an apology website? You do know the difference between historical archeologists and theologians right? You also know that "Jesus" was a common name back then.

a. Pfft, hardly - you can see for yourself how many different websites the pictures are on, I simply searched for the images and posted them for you.

b. What does any of what I just gave you have to do with the name Jesus?

"Pauls"? you proved the existence of a writer? None of the gospels were written during the alleged character's life.

That's true for anyone else from that period in history - go find me something written on Josephus from the time of his life, or something written on Pontius Pilatus or something written on Julius Caesar, etc. And just because you find a bust or some coins or some other monument like say a mile marker, doesn't count as finding a written record since this is what you clearly expect to find - so go and produce them for other people from the ancient world, if you can?

Oh wait - I can. James, Peter, Paul and Luke all write about living contemporaries in their works, no one disputes this, so see if you can find the same level of evidence for anyone else from that time.

The Romans during the alleged life of your ficitonal super hero would have taken notice of this uppity guy, no record DURING THE time frame in question of the Romans ever noticing. The Romans were also excellent sensus takers.

There's no outside written record of Pontius Pilatus, and yet he held office. There's almost no outside written record of Quirinius, and he held office.

We have busts of Herod the Great - but guess what? That's right, no contemporary writings.

Your expectations are completely unrealistic.

Oh and you also know that forgery was rampant back then. No different than faking a autographed baseball. The shroud is the biggest fraud people know about.

Obviously forgery was rampant, that's why there are gnostic texts.

[Brian37]

Where was the evidence for christ in that lot?

Perhaps you should read his question more carefully, that isn't what he asked, this is what he asked:

Um no, there is no contemporary outside evidence during the alleged time of the character's existence.

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You gave me pictures from what an apology website? You do know the difference between historical archeologists and theologians right? You also know that "Jesus" was a common name back then.

a. Pfft, hardly - you can see for yourself how many different websites the pictures are on, I simply searched for the images and posted them for you.

b. What does any of what I just gave you have to do with the name Jesus?

"Pauls"? you proved the existence of a writer? None of the gospels were written during the alleged character's life.

That's true for anyone else from that period in history - go find me something written on Josephus from the time of his life, or something written on Pontius Pilatus or something written on Julius Caesar, etc. And just because you find a bust or some coins or some other monument like say a mile marker, doesn't count as finding a written record since this is what you clearly expect to find - so go and produce them for other people from the ancient world, if you can?

Oh wait - I can. James, Peter, Paul and Luke all write about living contemporaries in their works, no one disputes this, so see if you can find the same level of evidence for anyone else from that time.

The Romans during the alleged life of your ficitonal super hero would have taken notice of this uppity guy, no record DURING THE time frame in question of the Romans ever noticing. The Romans were also excellent sensus takers.

There's no outside written record of Pontius Pilatus, and yet he held office. There's almost no outside written record of Quirinius, and he held office.

We have busts of Herod the Great - but guess what? That's right, no contemporary writings.

Your expectations are completely unrealistic.

Oh and you also know that forgery was rampant back then. No different than faking a autographed baseball. The shroud is the biggest fraud people know about.

Obviously forgery was rampant, that's why there are gnostic texts.

The sources quoted are bias. Of course they are going to make those claims. Again no different than Muslim "historians" pointing to their books and claims and "history".

None of the objects you showed in those pictures proves anything about invisible sky heros anymore than pointing to Iraq or Iran or Mecca proves Allah to be the one true god.

Otherwise because the Egyptians depicted their royalty and priests interacting with gods must make their gods real.

It takes TWO sets of DNA to make a baby, so your magic baby Jesus is a bullshit story. Human flesh does not survive rigor mortis so your zombie god death story is also bullshit. Regardless of existence. Humans are not gods and gods do not exist, not yours not any.

The sources you quoted are bias. All they prove is that humans are capable of making up bullshit. Just like the sun is not a god.