The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

What? How did you figure that?

If you knew that, then why present the argument you were presenting?

It's a moot point now. I was merely pointing out that your post would require all oceanic crust to have been generated during or after the Noachian flood. Since that is indeed what you claim, it's somewhat irrelevant now

The explanation behind redshifts would be the same, they are due to the expansion of the Universe and ASC does not change the Doppler Effect any.

Ok, but since the distance of a galaxy is calculated using "standard candles" and luminosity, the distance remains the same regardless of the convention employed. If the manner of calculating cosmological redshift is also the same, then it would appear that mature creation is a necessary conclusion. It would also seem to imply that galaxies were created in varying states of "maturity" that are inversely proportional to distance.

I suppose you could also posit that the galaxies underwent massively accelerated development during creation week, with those furthest away being created later (and subject to the same inverse proportionality) and thus subject to a shorter period of rapid development, but this would seem to conflict with the biblical account.

2) How come communication with the apollo mission, ISS, etc suffers from delay? Surely each transmission would arrive instantly in that convention?

We know that motion affects the passage of time, so the clocks aboard the Apollo vessel were not synchronized with clocks on Earth anymore; this is why we saw a delay according to the two clocks.

True, but if I've understood Lisle's paper on ASC correctly then time dilation is relative to position rather than speed. If this is the case, then surely the transmissions would still have been received almost instantaneously and would instead have been subject to a doppler shift.
It strikes me that a time dilation of such magnitude being caused by positional time dilation would be easily tested

I cannot get the links to open, could you post them again?

Apologies, I screwed up the tags. I'll try again:


Review of experiments to test the isotropy of the speed of light
K.C. Turner and H. A. Hill

We do not actually need that many instances of this to take place because there really are not many trees on Earth with more than 4,350 rings (I believe the oldest Bristlecone Pine (Pinus longaeva) had 4,723 rings); so you would only need about a century of the special climatic conditions needed to produce multiple rings. I actually think this is strong evidence confirming the Biblical timescale.

I think there was one found recently that is just over 5000 years old, but either way, those are just the trees that are still living. We also have samples from dead trees which I believe date back about 9000 years.

Rings are not just used to determine the age of tree, they give a lot of information regarding the history of the tree, the area in which it grew and the climactic conditions at that time, so any such period of special conditions should be easily identifiable.

The occurrence of double tree rings in bristlecone pines is very rare [Ferguson, 1968, p.840]. Missing rings occur far more often, so if anything, you're far more likely to get an age that is too young, rather than too old.

Let me see if I can find it.
http://creation.com/safety-investigation...n-a-seaway

Cheers I've had a look at the article, and I can see a few problems.

While the article looked into the arks ability to self-right, it didn't appear to take into account its stability in strong waves and winds. With a strong, side on wind in a rough sea, the ship will roll much harder. Without a method of propulsion, this is quite a problem.

It also didn't seem to account for the stresses and strains caused by twisting and rolling. With wooden ships this size, this puts incredible strain on the hull planks and creates gaps which let in water. 18th century wooden ships were no more than 2/3 of the size, had bilge pumps, much shorter voyage times and the opportunity to repair damage.

Another point worth baring in mind is that due to length, large enough waves would have left a large proportion of the ark suspended in mid-air, which isn't particularly desirably unless you want your ship turned into driftwood :p

Sure, is there actually a problem with this or do you just prefer a gradual deep time model for the same occurrence?

Aside from the massive impact forces involved in the collision of tectonic plates moving at those speeds? No problem at all. I don't really need any other problems.

Even if we allow the movement of the plates to be spread out over the entire year, the forces involved in the collision of tectonic plates at such speed would be......noticeable.

Evidence? Not for flood legends and the bible, obviously.

Why do you discount those? We’d expect flood legends if a global event took place (and we have them). I also think it is important that a creation model is compatible with the Biblical text.

I meant that we don't need evidence for the existence of the bible and other flood legends, we can be pretty sure that they exist