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[split] PORN
RE: [split] PORN
(February 5, 2010 at 6:57 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: My brain is just another part of my body. Without by brain I'd still be something it's just that I'd be a corpse.

IF my brain could be detached.... so far that has never been shown to be possible. And if it was, my brain is still physical just like all my other body parts (as far as I know, I know of no evidence to the contrary).

If you say without my brain I am nothing, the same applies to without my heart - in both cases I'd be dead. That's as close as you can get to "nothing".

My brain isn't me it's just another part of me. I can't have consciousness without it but it's possible - just not for humans it seems - to live without a brain... single celled animals like bacteria for instance. Or - viruses. They're alive but they have no brain.

EvF
I've been "out of the loop" for a few days, sorry :S I'll try to get back to you all. I think this should be split from the [split] PORN thread myself.

Anyway: Synthetic replacements will eventually be possible for every part of your body... cyborgia could even one day replace "you" with a synthetic intelligence that is a copy of who you are (would essentially be you).

My body is simply an organic version of all of this... as I am only an organic version of the synthetic intelligence. Organics, synthetics, mixes of both, whatever: It doesn't change "who" you are. 'You' are simply the experiences of your life (many of which would come from what body you have, i never disagreed with you all as to that, although you would not be a different person if you were translocated from your body or your body changed), a point that can perceive, and a basic bios and operating system that modifies itself because of an intellectual capacity (wether the lot of this be synthetic or organic changes nothing).

iow: my body is a tool, no matter what it is made out of. If I don't have tools for sight, I don't see. This does not suggest that my inability to see is a part of who I am past my lack of experience with seeing, or my lost capacity to see. I can be given a tool for sight after previously lacking any, and 'I' would be unchanged... I have simply gained another tool by which to gauge observable existence.

As for wether I would personally become completely a cyborg, Dotard: I would, but I would retain a human appearance/form, and although I would celebrate never having to eat, sleep, excrete, or drink again: I would mourn the loss of sex too much to completely change that (although considering it is mainly a psychological attraction for me at the moment, I would prefer to keep my nervous system mostly intact).

So I would never go for the whole "psychotic robo-commander" look Tongue That one's sensory modules carry them information is not to suggest that they are their senses. Tongue in cheek: I am sight, I see you all Wink

Note at Evie's last sentence: "Living" does not a consciousness make. There is no 'they' in regards to bacteria, unless 'they' have a perception of themselves that I do not know about. 'They' are very simple organic 'machines'... unless 'they' really do have a brain or some other capacity to perceive themselves in there somewhere. Without a (perhaps somewhat advanced? I would need to have more data) brain, there is no person... and personality is not a trait that can only be applied to humans, organic or otherwise. Simply: you don't exist without a brain. A synthetic intelligence can handle continuously changing it's capacities... and an organic intelligence is no different.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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[split] PORN - by theVOID - January 24, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by leo-rcc - January 25, 2010 at 6:12 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 9:13 am
RE: [split] PORN - by leo-rcc - January 25, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Samson - January 25, 2010 at 7:09 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 11:14 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 11:16 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 11:37 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 1:09 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 26, 2010 at 1:12 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 1:22 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 26, 2010 at 1:26 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 12:36 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 12:40 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by downbeatplumb - January 25, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - January 25, 2010 at 2:23 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - January 25, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by leo-rcc - January 25, 2010 at 3:13 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 25, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - January 25, 2010 at 9:45 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Samson - January 25, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Pippy - January 25, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Tiberius - January 25, 2010 at 11:13 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 12:46 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 26, 2010 at 12:48 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - January 26, 2010 at 10:04 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 10:30 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Zhalentine - January 25, 2010 at 10:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 10:51 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - January 25, 2010 at 11:40 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 1:20 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 26, 2010 at 1:21 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 26, 2010 at 1:26 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 26, 2010 at 1:29 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 1:30 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 26, 2010 at 1:32 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 26, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 26, 2010 at 1:38 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 26, 2010 at 1:40 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 1:45 am
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 26, 2010 at 1:54 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 2:13 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 5:18 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Zen Badger - January 26, 2010 at 6:19 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 5:39 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 5:45 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 6:58 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 7:29 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Pippy - January 26, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Tiberius - January 26, 2010 at 9:52 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 9:02 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:24 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - January 26, 2010 at 9:29 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 10:05 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 10:07 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 2:56 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - January 26, 2010 at 3:46 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by leo-rcc - January 26, 2010 at 5:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 5:19 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - January 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by downbeatplumb - January 28, 2010 at 3:06 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 10:11 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 10:17 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Samson - January 26, 2010 at 3:41 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - January 26, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 26, 2010 at 7:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 26, 2010 at 7:26 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 27, 2010 at 12:40 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Zhalentine - January 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 26, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Zhalentine - January 26, 2010 at 10:23 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - January 27, 2010 at 6:43 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Pippy - January 26, 2010 at 9:55 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Tiberius - January 26, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - January 26, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 27, 2010 at 1:22 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 27, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 27, 2010 at 5:38 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - January 27, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 27, 2010 at 4:05 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - January 28, 2010 at 6:33 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 28, 2010 at 2:18 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 27, 2010 at 5:03 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by fr0d0 - January 27, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 27, 2010 at 6:07 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by fr0d0 - January 27, 2010 at 6:18 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 27, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by littlegrimlin1 - January 27, 2010 at 6:58 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - January 27, 2010 at 8:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 28, 2010 at 12:58 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 1:27 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Pippy - January 27, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 28, 2010 at 1:52 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 1:53 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Tiberius - January 28, 2010 at 4:01 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 12:22 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Tiberius - January 28, 2010 at 12:23 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by leo-rcc - January 28, 2010 at 1:17 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by leo-rcc - January 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 28, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - January 28, 2010 at 10:16 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 28, 2010 at 10:55 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Samson - January 29, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 29, 2010 at 7:27 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 29, 2010 at 4:01 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - January 30, 2010 at 6:07 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - January 29, 2010 at 11:50 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 30, 2010 at 1:58 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Tiberius - January 30, 2010 at 9:34 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Ashes1995 - January 30, 2010 at 9:36 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 30, 2010 at 9:37 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 31, 2010 at 2:49 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - January 31, 2010 at 3:37 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Zen Badger - January 31, 2010 at 6:02 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Ashes1995 - January 31, 2010 at 8:04 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - January 31, 2010 at 3:41 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by Zen Badger - February 1, 2010 at 8:02 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 1, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by fr0d0 - February 1, 2010 at 5:20 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - February 1, 2010 at 5:39 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 2, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - February 2, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by downbeatplumb - February 2, 2010 at 6:51 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 4, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 4, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 1, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by LEDO - February 1, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - February 2, 2010 at 10:05 am
RE: [split] PORN - by LEDO - February 2, 2010 at 7:45 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 2, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - February 2, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 2, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 2, 2010 at 8:16 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - February 4, 2010 at 10:55 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 4, 2010 at 11:34 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by tackattack - February 5, 2010 at 3:07 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 5, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Eilonnwy - February 5, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 5, 2010 at 4:05 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 5, 2010 at 6:30 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - February 5, 2010 at 6:48 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 5, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - February 5, 2010 at 6:57 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 8, 2010 at 4:29 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - February 5, 2010 at 7:03 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Autumnlicious - February 5, 2010 at 7:07 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by fr0d0 - February 5, 2010 at 7:34 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 5, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 5, 2010 at 9:44 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Rhizomorph13 - February 5, 2010 at 10:01 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 5, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 5, 2010 at 10:16 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 9:13 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 6, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 6, 2010 at 9:44 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 10:48 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by fr0d0 - February 6, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 7, 2010 at 12:24 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 7, 2010 at 12:53 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by downbeatplumb - February 7, 2010 at 1:06 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - February 7, 2010 at 1:14 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by fr0d0 - February 7, 2010 at 7:33 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Dotard - February 7, 2010 at 10:25 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 8, 2010 at 5:17 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 8, 2010 at 6:17 pm
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RE: [split] PORN - by Purple Rabbit - February 8, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: [split] PORN - by Edwardo Piet - February 9, 2010 at 7:15 am
RE: [split] PORN - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 3:47 am
RE: [split] PORN - by TruthWorthy - February 9, 2010 at 7:43 am
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RE: [split] PORN - by theVOID - January 25, 2010 at 9:43 am
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