RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
November 24, 2013 at 8:40 am
(November 22, 2013 at 6:31 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Thanks for the clarification. What does a young galaxy look like compared to an old galaxy?
New knowledge about early galaxies
Quote:So would that be measured by a clock in Houston or a clock on the vessel? If we are measuring the delay using one clock on Earth then it will be identical under any synchrony convention.
Both, I believe. What I'm getting at, is that if the one way speed of light is infinite, then the reason for transmission delay is positional time dilation (unless I've missed something). But the time dilation should also cause either an expansion/contraction of frequency, respective to the relevant party.
Also, if the time dilation is caused by a change in position rather velocity, then the time dilation would continue for as long as that position is maintained. So the longer the Apollo astronauts were on the moon, the greater the difference in time would have become.
Quote:I think the problem here is that distance is a component of velocity, so it is impossible to move the clocks at different velocities without also forcing them to travel different distances. I’ll have to look more into this though. I really do not believe you are going to find anything inherently wrong with ASC (even the RationalWiki article on it states that the math does in fact work and that it is not wrong to use such a convention); the bigger question is whether or not the Bible is using this convention when it describes the events of creation week. That is the only real objection I have seen made to Lisle’s work.
At the risk of showing my ignorance, I thought that the components of velocity were speed and direction. I'd hardly consider myself to be an expert in relativity, however.
That being said, surely if time dilation is caused by a change in position, then the difference in passage of time would increase as long as that position is maintained. Unless of course I've completely misunderstand and it is literally the change of position rather than the position itself which causes the effect, but this would seem to go against Lisle's proposal.
Quote: Yes there’d be a bit of a gap, but technology did not develop nearly as fast back then so not a huge gap. Given the time Noah was given to build the vessel I believe it is completely feasible. Most of the technology advances seem to be applying more to vessels that needed to travel great distances and navigate; the ark just needed to float and remain floating.
True, but 2300BC is a lot closer to 2500BC than it is to 300BC, so to suggest that the ark would have been closer to ship building techniques used 2000 years later strikes me as special pleading. Also, while the ark may not have have to navigate, it would still have had to survive extreme oceanic conditions for a full year without an opportunity for refit. The prospect of a wooden ship that size surviving those conditions for that long, without the ability to make repairs in drydock, is at best highly implausable. When you factor in events such as tidal waves and rogue waves, the odds of survival shrink to virtually zero - and that's unladen.
It's survival would have basically necessitated direct intervention from god and if that's the case, then the ark was basically an unnecessary detail. You might as well have them all floating on a cloud for a year.
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He’ll never read that article, that would require work. I am not sure that such time dilations are indeed linear in nature. I believe the time delay is what gives us the instantaneous travel. An imperfect analogy would be time zones. If I fly from Boise, Idaho to Spokane, Washington I can leave Boise at 1PM and arrive in Spokane at 1PM. According to the clocks on the ground my flight was instantaneous. All we have when measuring the speed of light are “the clocks on the ground”. I may be off with this analogy but I have heard Lisle compare ASC to time zones before.
Hmmm, this seems to be an odd claim. If the instantaneous speed of light is merely an "illusion" caused by time dilations, then the speed isn't in fact instantaneous and therefore not location dependant.