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The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old

November 26, 2013 at 10:54 am

The two-way speed of light is isotropic in ASC - It's only the one-way speed that would be anisotropic. So the one-way speed could be 50 billion times faster than c.

Now this isn't evidence for a 10,000 year old universe. It doesn't even suggest a 10,000 year old universe. But it does mean that the speed of light is not an adequate argument against a 10,000 year old universe. Well, not unless simultaneity can be shown to be velocity dependent rather than position dependent.

I'm convinced that this is where Lisle's ASC is gonna fall flat on it's arse, it's just a case of finding the right place to give it a nudge

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The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Justtristo - June 27, 2012 at 4:43 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Darwinian - June 27, 2012 at 6:10 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Justtristo - June 27, 2012 at 7:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by NoMoreFaith - June 27, 2012 at 7:24 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 6:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - October 21, 2013 at 6:08 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 6:19 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - October 21, 2013 at 7:58 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 21, 2013 at 7:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 7:24 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 21, 2013 at 7:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 7:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 21, 2013 at 8:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Gambit - June 27, 2012 at 7:48 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cato - June 27, 2012 at 7:51 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - June 27, 2012 at 10:43 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by popeyespappy - June 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Jackalope - June 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zaphod Beeblebrox - June 27, 2012 at 8:41 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Justtristo - June 27, 2012 at 9:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zaphod Beeblebrox - June 27, 2012 at 11:02 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - June 27, 2012 at 10:27 am

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 25, 2013 at 8:28 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - June 27, 2012 at 1:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Gambit - June 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - June 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 21, 2013 at 10:48 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 9:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 23, 2013 at 11:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 22, 2013 at 10:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 22, 2013 at 11:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 24, 2013 at 1:40 am

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cato - October 24, 2013 at 1:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - October 24, 2013 at 1:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cato - October 24, 2013 at 2:24 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 24, 2013 at 3:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 24, 2013 at 6:26 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 24, 2013 at 8:09 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - October 24, 2013 at 12:42 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by TheBeardedDude - October 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 24, 2013 at 1:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Paraselene - October 25, 2013 at 6:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - October 26, 2013 at 12:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 26, 2013 at 7:50 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - October 27, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 6:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 25, 2013 at 7:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - October 25, 2013 at 6:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 25, 2013 at 9:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Owlix - October 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 28, 2013 at 9:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - October 28, 2013 at 9:26 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - October 29, 2013 at 7:14 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - October 30, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 12:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 1:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - October 31, 2013 at 12:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - October 31, 2013 at 7:19 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 1, 2013 at 9:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 1, 2013 at 10:40 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 4, 2013 at 4:25 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2013 at 9:55 am

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 30, 2013 at 10:06 am

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 9:59 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 2, 2013 at 12:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Paraselene - November 1, 2013 at 10:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 11:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 2, 2013 at 12:22 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - November 2, 2013 at 9:22 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 2, 2013 at 10:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Thor - November 3, 2013 at 12:12 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 2, 2013 at 11:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 2, 2013 at 11:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Doubting Thomas - November 3, 2013 at 12:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 4, 2013 at 2:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 4, 2013 at 4:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 6, 2013 at 10:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 7, 2013 at 3:21 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 7, 2013 at 9:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 7, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 7, 2013 at 11:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 7, 2013 at 3:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 7, 2013 at 3:58 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 18, 2013 at 6:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - November 19, 2013 at 6:01 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - November 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 20, 2013 at 8:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - November 20, 2013 at 10:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2013 at 6:14 am

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 6:31 pm

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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 23, 2013 at 10:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 7:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Paraselene - November 22, 2013 at 7:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - November 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 22, 2013 at 8:14 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 24, 2013 at 8:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 24, 2013 at 10:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 26, 2013 at 2:34 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zazzy - November 25, 2013 at 11:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 6:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 26, 2013 at 6:58 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 26, 2013 at 9:56 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 9:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 10:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 8:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 12:53 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 8:56 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 11:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 11:26 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 11:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 27, 2013 at 12:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 28, 2013 at 2:59 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 28, 2013 at 5:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 28, 2013 at 5:50 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 7:37 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 28, 2013 at 7:45 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 8:17 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - November 28, 2013 at 8:45 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 11:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2013 at 1:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - November 29, 2013 at 9:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - November 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2013 at 2:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Godlesspanther - November 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2013 at 3:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 1, 2013 at 7:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 2, 2013 at 6:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 2, 2013 at 6:37 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 2, 2013 at 7:07 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 2, 2013 at 11:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 3, 2013 at 4:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 6:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - December 4, 2013 at 11:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Lion IRC - December 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by ablenova - December 2, 2013 at 7:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 10:34 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Lion IRC - December 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 2, 2013 at 11:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 3, 2013 at 5:12 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 4, 2013 at 7:32 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 4, 2013 at 5:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 4, 2013 at 7:24 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 4, 2013 at 7:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Ryantology - December 4, 2013 at 7:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 4, 2013 at 7:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 4, 2013 at 8:05 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 11:22 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 12:13 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 12:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 4:21 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 12:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 4:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 6:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 7:22 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 5, 2013 at 6:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 7:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 9:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 9:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 9:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 5, 2013 at 10:09 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 6, 2013 at 12:03 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 6, 2013 at 10:19 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Michael Schubert - December 5, 2013 at 11:00 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 12:28 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 7, 2013 at 1:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by ThomM - December 7, 2013 at 10:27 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 7, 2013 at 5:01 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 7, 2013 at 10:09 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 9, 2013 at 6:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 9, 2013 at 10:03 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 12, 2013 at 7:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 12, 2013 at 10:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 13, 2013 at 7:01 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 14, 2013 at 5:12 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 14, 2013 at 12:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 15, 2013 at 4:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 17, 2013 at 8:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 18, 2013 at 1:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 18, 2013 at 7:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - December 18, 2013 at 8:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 19, 2013 at 4:44 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 20, 2013 at 8:25 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by theyear12013 - December 21, 2013 at 12:49 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - December 21, 2013 at 3:42 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - December 21, 2013 at 9:27 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 21, 2013 at 10:56 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 24, 2013 at 4:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Godlesspanther - December 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 25, 2013 at 11:46 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 26, 2013 at 12:07 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 26, 2013 at 12:09 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 26, 2013 at 12:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 27, 2013 at 12:53 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - December 27, 2013 at 12:58 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - December 26, 2013 at 12:58 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 26, 2013 at 1:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - December 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 26, 2013 at 4:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - December 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 27, 2013 at 2:55 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by KichigaiNeko - December 27, 2013 at 8:12 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 27, 2013 at 8:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by KichigaiNeko - December 27, 2013 at 8:21 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 28, 2013 at 12:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 30, 2013 at 8:35 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 27, 2013 at 8:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - December 27, 2013 at 9:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - December 27, 2013 at 9:51 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - January 3, 2014 at 8:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - January 6, 2014 at 12:25 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - January 6, 2014 at 9:14 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - January 6, 2014 at 1:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - January 6, 2014 at 2:37 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - January 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - January 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - January 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Mudhammam - January 8, 2014 at 10:17 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - January 15, 2014 at 7:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - January 16, 2014 at 12:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - January 16, 2014 at 1:49 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - January 21, 2014 at 2:55 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cyberman - January 21, 2014 at 7:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by WesOlsen - January 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - January 24, 2014 at 10:40 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 6, 2014 at 8:57 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - February 7, 2014 at 11:48 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Whateverist - February 6, 2014 at 9:02 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 6, 2014 at 9:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Esquilax - February 7, 2014 at 1:52 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Whateverist - February 7, 2014 at 11:44 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Chas - February 8, 2014 at 5:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Anomalocaris - February 6, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Re: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by StuW - February 7, 2014 at 12:11 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Mudhammam - February 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by WesOlsen - February 7, 2014 at 4:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 8, 2014 at 5:51 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - February 11, 2014 at 9:20 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - February 15, 2014 at 12:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Tonus - February 14, 2014 at 10:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Ryantology - February 14, 2014 at 10:33 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 15, 2014 at 11:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - February 15, 2014 at 11:32 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 15, 2014 at 6:36 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - February 15, 2014 at 11:31 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 16, 2014 at 3:35 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2014 at 5:32 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 16, 2014 at 5:46 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2014 at 6:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 16, 2014 at 10:57 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 18, 2014 at 6:04 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by StuW - February 18, 2014 at 8:24 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 18, 2014 at 9:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 6:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 7:36 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 7:45 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 8:02 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 8:18 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 8:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 8:39 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 8:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 8:54 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 9:07 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2014 at 9:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 19, 2014 at 9:17 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 19, 2014 at 8:38 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 5:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - February 25, 2014 at 11:54 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 26, 2014 at 3:27 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - February 28, 2014 at 3:45 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2014 at 5:26 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 7:20 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2014 at 7:33 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 7:44 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Crossless1 - February 19, 2014 at 8:53 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 19, 2014 at 11:50 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 4:49 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - February 20, 2014 at 1:04 am

The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Rampant.A.I. - February 20, 2014 at 1:13 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2014 at 8:14 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 20, 2014 at 8:34 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 21, 2014 at 6:18 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 21, 2014 at 6:47 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 21, 2014 at 9:23 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 22, 2014 at 3:19 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 24, 2014 at 5:15 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - February 22, 2014 at 6:17 am

The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Rampant.A.I. - February 22, 2014 at 4:51 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Statler Waldorf - February 25, 2014 at 7:22 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 25, 2014 at 7:28 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 25, 2014 at 9:51 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by downbeatplumb - February 24, 2014 at 3:44 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Alex K - February 24, 2014 at 5:27 pm

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - March 3, 2014 at 12:30 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 3, 2014 at 2:03 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - March 3, 2014 at 3:47 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 3, 2014 at 4:37 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by LostLocke - March 3, 2014 at 9:52 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by popeyespappy - March 3, 2014 at 10:34 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 4, 2014 at 4:23 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Bad Writer - March 3, 2014 at 12:40 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by snowtracks - March 3, 2014 at 1:35 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by JuliaL - March 3, 2014 at 3:42 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cyberman - March 3, 2014 at 12:56 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Bad Writer - March 3, 2014 at 1:03 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Cyberman - March 3, 2014 at 1:06 am

RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by Minimalist - March 3, 2014 at 3:25 pm

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