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(February 7, 2010 at 9:04 pm)tackattack Wrote: Here you're clearly stating a comparitive definition of faith as blind hope.
I made no such conjunction. However, having faith in the most unlikely of all possible outcomes is technically the same as having blind hope.
tackattack Wrote:So then how do we have a "better understaning" of mental illnessses or criminal tendencies?
Fixed. To effectively answer that then you must ask to what degree must guilt be proven? Beyond a reasonable doubt, of course. It's the highest level or standard of proof required in a legal action to discharge the burden of proof, that is, to convince the court that any given proposition is true.
tackattack Wrote:Why is having a basis in reality the only way to constructively contribute to the betterment of society?
Because a cooperative society that cannot distinguish fact from fiction, true from false, opens itself to every conceivable form of abuse there is, internal and external. Our modern-day civilization wouldn't last long under that mentality.
tackattack Wrote:And what's your definition of reality?
As much as I enjoy your asyndetic thinking, don't go all 'metaphysical objectivism' on me today. Reality, as most people like to define it, is the state of things that are real, what actually exists.
tackattack Wrote:Here's is another wild definition of faith. What do you really define as faith? Ok you guys ahave had some seriously good stuff on here but could each of you do a short recap of things so far? Maybe we can get definitons straight.
Faith's broad definition is the confident belief in future events or outcomes and in the context of belief involves a concept that does not rest upon on logic or evidence. Because of this you can substitute 'trust' in place of 'faith' as well.
When dealing with something as complex as reality itself I rationally try not to put trust in anything.
1- So mathmatics, philosophy, psychology can't contribute to society, or are they considered real? Why stop there?
2- I agree with your definition of faith, however I'm sure you put more trust in reality a lot more than you give yourself credit for, if not consciously, subconsciously.
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