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Challenging the Atheist belief
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
(December 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: Wait, wait, wait.. You recognize human design, but.... You don't believe in a God or creator. So how is that incorrect?

Because in your metaphor you fail to take in the criteria for rejecting the intelligent design claim. If I find a sharpie, I will compare it to all of the natural things around to me to determine whether it had been designed. I'd look at nature to understand what characteristics come about naturally and what has to have been done purposely by an intelligence.

That is the problem with claiming intelligent design of the universe. There is nothing to compare it to. You have no base standard to determine the qualities of what is designed by intelligence and what isn't. For all we know, what you perceive as having the hallmarks of design may, in fact, just be the nature of existence, and until you have some sort of standard to compare it to, claiming intelligent design is unfounded.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by c172 - November 26, 2013 at 12:32 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 12:40 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Owlix - November 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bipolar Bob - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Minimalist - November 26, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Lemonvariable72 - November 26, 2013 at 2:54 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 6:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 10:05 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Captain Colostomy - November 26, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by tokutter - November 26, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Zazzy - November 26, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:50 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - November 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by CapnAwesome - November 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Re: RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - November 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jacob(smooth) - December 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - December 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by paulpablo - December 2, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Walking Void - December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - December 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm

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