Challenging the Atheist belief

[Natedeezy]

I just had a thought to try and get a scale of how an atheist views things. So, to an atheist, if intelligence within life, such as evolution or the example about sex feeling good, doesn't prove the existence of a creator or God or higher power or whatever who created it, then I have a question. Say we live in a time after a catastrophic event, during which all knowledge of the past has been wiped out and the human race has restarted. Now, lets say while digging in the Earth, a human finds a perfectly preserved sharpie (bc there's one sitting in front of me). Through the eyes of an atheist, intelligence doesn't prove the existence of a creator. So, does this mean the existence of the sharpie (intelligent design), does not prove the existence of a creator of said sharpie? And that it's equally as believable that the sharpie just randomly came together ?

Ah...

The old, long refuted 'Watchmaker' argument.

Nice to see the classics are still around.

We don't detect design because of the function or the complexity of an item. We detect design in contrast to things that occur naturally.

What if these future diggers then uncovered a hacksaw? Would they then assume the Sharpie maker made the hacksaw? Of course not. So, you are arguing for a life maker, a sun maker, a rock maker, etc.

Your Sharpie maker is a false analogy because it assumes that because two objects share one common quality, they must have another quality in common.

1. A Sharpie is complex
2. A Sharpie has a Sharpie maker
3. The universe is also complex
4. Therefore the universe has a Sharpie maker

The last step is wrong, because it concludes something that is not supported by the criteria. It is best clarified by another example:

1. Leaves are complex cellulose structures
2. Leaves grow on trees
3. Money bills are also complex cellulose structures
4. Therefore money grow on trees


And yet another failure of your analogy. The Sharpie is made ex materia. In other words, it is made by rearranging preexisting material. You are trying to draw an analogy to the universe that you claim a god created ex nihilo , out of nothing. This is known as the fallacy of equivocation.

Ur missing the point, dewd! Again, what IS natural!? And more importantly, you are assuming the sharpie has a maker. There is no proof for these people. So your example of leaves and trees makes no sense for this example as we know leaves come from trees.