(December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: The point is, sharpie, watch, dildo, the object doesn't matter. There is no proof that it was created, maybe there was a sharpie tree that existed long ago? We don't know. The same goes for fruit, or humans, or the universe, etc.. There's no proof we/it was created, and there is no proof the Earth is "natural", our definition of natural is limited to our experience. Therefore, based on atheism, which is: disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods (creator)..even though there is intelligence in the design of sharpie or fruit or human or universe, since there is no proof the creator exists, there is no belief.
Nate, ask yourself why you picked a Sharpie as your created object in the first place. Why didn't you pick, say, a rock, or a tree? After all, if you're a theist they were all equally as created as the Sharpie, right? Chances are, it's because you understand that the natural-ness of the rock and the tree have nothing to do with just looking at them, and everything to do with attributes and contrast. We recognize design through actual examination; in the case of the Sharpie, you can see plastic and metals and ink that don't naturally occur anywhere around you, and so you'd be justified in seeing design there.
However...
Quote:Sooo, how can one argue that the sharpie, in the eyes of an atheist, has no proof of a creator, when we understand that "natural" is limited to our current perceptions?
You also aren't locked into that one answer either; if you see a Sharpie bush, you can amend your beliefs about Sharpies. But the way to get there is through evidence, something that gods and creators do not have, and therefore cannot be given justified belief.
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