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Challenging the Atheist belief
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
(December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: The point is, sharpie, watch, dildo, the object doesn't matter. There is no proof that it was created, maybe there was a sharpie tree that existed long ago? We don't know. The same goes for fruit, or humans, or the universe, etc.. There's no proof we/it was created, and there is no proof the Earth is "natural", our definition of natural is limited to our experience. Therefore, based on atheism, which is: disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods (creator)..even though there is intelligence in the design of sharpie or fruit or human or universe, since there is no proof the creator exists, there is no belief.

Nate, ask yourself why you picked a Sharpie as your created object in the first place. Why didn't you pick, say, a rock, or a tree? After all, if you're a theist they were all equally as created as the Sharpie, right? Chances are, it's because you understand that the natural-ness of the rock and the tree have nothing to do with just looking at them, and everything to do with attributes and contrast. We recognize design through actual examination; in the case of the Sharpie, you can see plastic and metals and ink that don't naturally occur anywhere around you, and so you'd be justified in seeing design there.

However...

Quote:Sooo, how can one argue that the sharpie, in the eyes of an atheist, has no proof of a creator, when we understand that "natural" is limited to our current perceptions?

You also aren't locked into that one answer either; if you see a Sharpie bush, you can amend your beliefs about Sharpies. But the way to get there is through evidence, something that gods and creators do not have, and therefore cannot be given justified belief.
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Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Paraselene - November 26, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by c172 - November 26, 2013 at 12:32 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 12:40 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Owlix - November 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bipolar Bob - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Minimalist - November 26, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Lemonvariable72 - November 26, 2013 at 2:54 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 6:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:23 am
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 10:05 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Captain Colostomy - November 26, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by tokutter - November 26, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Zazzy - November 26, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:50 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Paraselene - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Paraselene - November 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - November 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Paraselene - November 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by CapnAwesome - November 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - November 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - December 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 4:05 am
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Walking Void - December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - December 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm

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