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Challenging the Atheist belief
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief
(December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Natedeezy Wrote: The point is, sharpie, watch, dildo, the object doesn't matter. There is no proof that it was created, maybe there was a sharpie tree that existed long ago? We don't know.
You've warped the example into uselessness. If we're talking about a stone-age man in a world where there are no indicators of our past, and he comes upon a magic marker, what would he think? He'd probably wonder what it tasted like.

You are aware that the oldest religious writings we have found are tales of gods who quarrel among themselves and battle demons and dragons and treat humans with a mixture of whimsy and disdain? Early man took a look around him and apparently decided that god was a bitter and cranky bastard who took it upon himself to make life miserable for people. He didn't seem terribly awed at the wonder of creation and how it showed an intelligent and thoughtful designer. He thought that god created the universe out of the carcass of a dragon he slew.

"Intelligent designer" is how we view creator gods today, perhaps. But for a long time I think the title "malevolent designer" might have been more readily accepted.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by c172 - November 26, 2013 at 12:32 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 12:40 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Owlix - November 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 2:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jackalope - November 26, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bipolar Bob - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cinjin - November 26, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by The Valkyrie - November 26, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by MitchBenn - November 26, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Minimalist - November 26, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Lemonvariable72 - November 26, 2013 at 2:54 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 3:13 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by freedomfromforum - November 26, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by kılıç_mehmet - November 26, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 6:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - November 26, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 10:05 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Captain Colostomy - November 26, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by tokutter - November 26, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:14 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Kayenneh - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Zazzy - November 26, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fruity - November 26, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 11:50 am
Re: Challenging the Atheist belief - by NoraBrimstone - November 26, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - November 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Silver - November 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by houseofcantor - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pocaracas - November 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Whateverist - November 26, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Darkstar - November 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - November 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by CapnAwesome - November 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by TheBeardedDude - November 26, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by max-greece - November 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - November 26, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - November 26, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm
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RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Bad Wolf - November 26, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by thesummerqueen - November 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - November 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - November 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Mudhammam - December 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Jacob(smooth) - December 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Cyberman - December 1, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 2, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by paulpablo - December 2, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Walking Void - December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by downbeatplumb - December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Simon Moon - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Esquilax - December 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Natedeezy - December 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Faith No More - December 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by Tonus - December 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Challenging the Atheist belief - by rexbeccarox - December 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm

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