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How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?
(November 11, 2013 at 11:51 am)Drich Wrote:
(November 11, 2013 at 11:18 am)Minimalist Wrote: Because there weren't any disciples. They were a later addition to the story.

proof? or am I to simply have faith in your word?

The man wants proof, I shall give him proof, from his Bible, that Jesus never died and so, was never resurrected:

No such sign is mentioned in the Bible. Jesus said in Mathew, Chapter 16, verse number 4:

"An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” So he left them and departed.

Do you understand what "no other sign will be given to you" means? Have you read your Bible? It doesn't mean there's 2 signs left...NO OTHER SIGN WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU!!!!!! Then you come argue oh look! There's the sign of resurrection! WHAT? NO SIGN SHALL BE GIVEN TO YOU!!! READ!!

The question is: Is the sign of Jonah compatible or incompatible with resurrection?

How was Jonah when they threw him overboard? He volunteered! You know, if a person struggles, you might have to break his leg, twist his arm, but the man said I am guilty, throw me! So when they threw him he was? Alive! How was Jonah when he was praying in the belly of the whale he was? Alive! How was Jonah when the fish spit him on the sea shore? Alive! Alive alive alive! A miracle of a miracle of a miracle.

As Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be in the heart of the Earth! Then you ask my practicing christian brothers, how was Jesus in the heart of the Earth, they say he was DEAD. He was DEAD. Jonah was alive. So Jesus is a liar! He never fulfills the prophecy. AHH but then Christian brothers say, it's the time factor. It's not a matter of alive or dead, it's about how long he stayed? WELL:

They take Jesus off the cross on Friday evening before the Sabbath because for Jews it was forbidden to hang anyone on the Sabbath. So Friday night, Saturday day, Saturday night, and on Sunday morning, Mary Magdalen sees Jesus disguised as a Gardner! That's 2 nights and 2 days at best. So Jesus put all his eggs in one basket, the sign of Jonah, and never fulfilled it! So he lied! And we know that Jesus, is not a liar, we respect him Smile

It is mentioned in Luke, Chapter number 10, verse number 36 which says:

"Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

In this verse Jesus says that resurrected bodies are spiritualised, a spiritual body cannot die anymore and cannot be given in marriage. He's giving a definition of resurrection. So why was Jesus disguised as a Gardner? He was afraid of the Jews. If he was a spirit, why be afraid. It is further mentioned in John, Chapter 20, verse number 17 which says:

"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father"

Why touch me not? Because he was in physical pain, all the ordeal he suffered. Resurrected bodies can't feel pain. It is mentioned in Luke, Chapter number 24, verse number 39:

"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

Is he trying to say he's a resurrected body? "it is I, myself". The disciples were afraid because they had heard that Jesus died and Jesus goes to them and proves he didn't. "for a spirit hath not flesh and bones" He's trying to say he's not a resurrected body (spirit) but he is flesh and bones.

The best you can say based on the Bible is that he was: Resuscitated! When someone dies for a short while at the hospital and they bring him back, the person is resuscitated, not resurrected but again, we have no clues that he ever died based on the original manuscript. We know that he was taken off the cross in a hurry because of the Sabbath, and, it is hard for someone to die on the cross in a few hours.

In fact, when Jesus was crucified, like Minimalist pointed out,...NO ONE was there, as it is mentioned in the gospel of Mark Chapter number 14 Verse 50 which says:

"Then everyone deserted him and fled."

When Jesus was on the cross, ALL his disciples fled, at the time he needed them MOST. All gone. So who's the eye witness to the Crucifixion? Some emotionally impaired women who aren't the authors of the Bible?

So Jesus comes out of nowhere and goes like, what's wrong with you guys that you are so scared, it's me, I'm ok. He not yet ascended onto his father. Very clear statement. This emphasizes the difference between what really happened to Jesus and what the Disciples thought. The disciples thought like the Christians, that he was crucified and killed, but Jesus comes and tells them you're paranoid, wake up it's me!

Of course, Drich has trouble accepting it because by calling Jesus God, saying that God died, he's not following Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ never claimed divinity but said his father is eternal. I bet he has pork and alcohol too because whatever Jesus Christ said he doesn't follow. If Christian means, following the teachings of Jesus Christ, us atheists are more Christians then the Christian themselves!
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RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 12, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 15, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 16, 2013 at 10:27 am

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