RE: The cosmological argument really needs to die already.
December 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm by LostLocke.)
Ugh, yeah.... they never seem to want to let go of this one. 
1) Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
We don't know that for a fact. Even within the constraints of own physical universe, there's evidence that effects can occur before their cause.
2) The universe began to exist.
...as we know it in its current state. We don't know for a fact that the "stuff" of the universe ever "began" to exist.
3) Therefore the universe has a cause.
The real translation of part 3 is... "Therefore our god caused the universe, and we'll reject the possibility of any other cause."

1) Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
We don't know that for a fact. Even within the constraints of own physical universe, there's evidence that effects can occur before their cause.
2) The universe began to exist.
...as we know it in its current state. We don't know for a fact that the "stuff" of the universe ever "began" to exist.
3) Therefore the universe has a cause.
The real translation of part 3 is... "Therefore our god caused the universe, and we'll reject the possibility of any other cause."