RE: Theists, are you immune to being decieved?
December 18, 2013 at 6:51 pm
(This post was last modified: December 18, 2013 at 6:53 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
(December 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Are you prepared to argue that sadness, anger and joy are not real?Even those Chad, are descriptions of physical processes, and without the mind, those too cease to be of relevance. They're real insofar as there is a material physical being capable of describing the material physical process it is experiencing. Is as real as the codes being processed by software in a computer that generate other non"sensible objects". In many ways your brain is like a computer, but when the physical energy ceases to flow through a computer, and the codes that once produced data by means of the software programmed into it no longer having a sufficient vessel to produce that data, nobody questions whether or not it's " immaterial soul" is being rewarded or punished.
(December 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You also mentioned that everything is material even the mind.I said we have every reason to think its material, and nothing more. I try not to make definite claims without having knowledge of all possibilities. That's where you guys seem to be missing me. I am open to a new possibility, but I haven't heard any reason from either of you to believe you've found a viable alternative to the material being all that exists.
(December 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Tell me which of the following statements would you include in your position: 1) physical processes can cause mental properties to appear; 2) mental properties can influence physical processes; 3) physical processes and mental properties exist in parallel but do not interact?How about this: Mental properties are physical processes!! You would need a damn good argument to show otherwise. In this respect, it's no different that a material, physical computer. Are you saying that my iPhone has a soul? If Siri tells me she's sad, and I believe her, who are you then to tell me she's not?Hmm? Does Siri have a soul? If she's capable of every other descriptive ability that you think can only be explained by invoking a God within the one in possession of said property, how then do you dismiss her description of what we understand as emotion?


