Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Angrboda]

Bullshit. Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Cosmology postulates that the universe need not have a beginning at all. Hawking postulates a singularity, whose causal origin cannot be known. And to the best of my knowledge of Ellis, he doesn't even address the problem in any tangible way. Now you're just making shit up and attributing it to famous physicists. Isn't it a sin in your universe to tell lies like this?

flawed analysis, but nice try though.

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The Nature of Space and Time, Hawking stated, "Today virtually everyone agrees that the universe and time itself had a beginning at the Big Bang": ref - Hawking, S.W. and Penrose, R. 1996. The Nature of Space and Time, p. 20.

What Hawking thinks "everyone agrees" to is not relevant. I don't care about what everyone thinks. I want to know what Hawking has demonstrated, firstly, and secondly, what he conjectures. A singularity is a well defined concept in physics and your quote mining doesn't change that fact, nor that its existence prior to the big bang implies an absence of knowledge about anything prior to it. Hawking's postulate of a singularity make clear that no "beginning" is asserted by Hawking, as he knows what a singularity is, even if you do not. (ETA: And a glance at the table of contents shows that the chapter you've drawn the quote from is indeed written by Hawking, but is titled, "Classical Theory," and is therefore likely not even an attempt on Hawking's part to describe his own view on the question. I quote from page 5 of chapter 1, Classical Theory, by Hawking, "In this lecture [Classical Theory] I shall review the work in classical general relativity that leads to these ideas [a beginning of space-time]." So he's not even discussing his own views in the quote you cited.)

In this book, the two opponents touch on all these questions ... [Hawking] argues that general relativity simply cannot account for how the universe began.

— Princeton University Press description of

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book - The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time - hawking and ellis - "Einstein's General Theory of Relativity leads to two remarkable predictions: first, that the ultimate destiny of many massive stars is to undergo gravitational collapse and to disappear from view, leaving behind a 'black hole' in space; and secondly, that there will exist singularities in space-time itself. These singularities are places where space-time begins or ends, and the presently known laws of physics break down. They will occur inside black holes, and in the past are what might be construed as the beginning of the universe. To show how these predictions arise, the authors discuss the General Theory of Relativity in the large. Starting with a precise formulation of the theory and an account of the necessary background of differential geometry, the significance of space-time curvature is discussed and the global properties of a number of exact solutions of Einstein's field equations are examined". from - http://books.google.com/books/about/The_...gG_KI7Ll8C

This isn't even Hawking or Ellis writing, but looks to be nothing more than a publisher's blurb about the book. This isn't even remotely acceptable evidence of Hawking and Ellis' views on what preceded the big bang. God, you're a douche bag. Googling for hits with keywords and mining quotes is not science, it's the ethically challenged bollocks of the religious apologist with no brain and even less scholarship.

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