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Father Arguments
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RE: Father Arguments
There are ethical systems which establish objective morality without recourse to a god. See contractarianism and desiring amongst others. I don't claim these are true, but they are to be preferred over a supernatural explanation, just because of parsimony.

Secondly why would morality be objectively true if it came from a god. Surely that makes it gods whim and subjective to that whim. Xtian shave failed to sketch out what it means to say god is intrinsically good, the locus of moral values, so what!

Lastly one could equally construct an argument for good based on other universal truths about human civilisation, even though they are less pleasant. It proves nothing just like the moral argument

1 if objective and universal revulsion of human shit exists, god exists
2 revulsion of human shit exists
3 god exists; conclusion
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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Father Arguments - by Severan - December 14, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Zen Badger - December 14, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by pocaracas - December 14, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by feeling - December 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 14, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Minimalist - December 14, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Napoléon - December 14, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Minimalist - December 14, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:16 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 14, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by pocaracas - December 14, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by feeling - December 14, 2013 at 9:01 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 14, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Faith No More - December 15, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - December 15, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Father Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 15, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Father Arguments - by WesOlsen - December 15, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 15, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Nineteen - December 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - December 21, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 16, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by WesOlsen - December 16, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by rexbeccarox - December 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 20, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Captain Scarlet - December 20, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Ksa - December 20, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by là bạn điên - December 21, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 21, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - December 22, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 21, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Nineteen - December 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Minimalist - December 22, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by pocaracas - December 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 22, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by xr34p3rx - January 16, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 16, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: Father Arguments - by max-greece - January 17, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:33 am
RE: Father Arguments - by WesOlsen - January 21, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Odysseus - January 24, 2014 at 4:04 am

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