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Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist.
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RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist.
(December 21, 2013 at 7:16 am)max-greece Wrote: 1. I don't generally self identify as Jewish. I am an atheist that happens to have been born Jewish.
2. At the same time I don't see why I should deny my birth, or hide it.

Then technically you are ethnically Jewish rather than Greek, if you mean that you were born Jewish and consider yourself an ethnic Jew. For my ethnic background I don't have to worry about a dual ethno-religious categorisation (To be White British is not to have to fuse race with religion) but it seems you still prefer to declare yourself as Jewish rather than simply Greek or 'White European'. Regardless, that's your call, but if you want to shake off everything that makes you Jewish, you simply have to cease identifying with any Jewish traditions and cease considering yourself religiously Jewish. If you don't want to do this and you still want to embrace certain aspects of your heritage then you shouldn't be ashamed of yourself, providing its limited to non-confrontational and non-theistic practice, otherwise you'r basically a theist, not an atheist. I'm of mixed British heritage for example, i'm technically half-Welsh and half-English. Ethnically this doesn't really mean anything, and I do enjoy some of the basic traditions from my Welsh side of the family, which is basically limited to food, language and some music. It has also meant that i've been on the recieving end of some relatively mild name-calling, but nothing that would constitute discrimination. Religion doesn't come in to the equation whatsoever for me, perhaps you can relate to this type of identity.

Quote:3. I do not support Israeli political positions in a host of areas. I'd be there attempting to talk reason to any that would listen whilst there.
4. I am fairly certain I'd hate it there.

Then you may not be a Zionist. If you find it fanciful to have one nation that has a significant Jewish population but one that gaurantees equal rights for non-Jewish citizens, then you're probably not strictly a zionist. The problem as already noted by you is that the state of Israel was created decades ago, so now it's too late to demand that thousands of Jews simply uproot and give the land back to the ancestors of the arabic peoples who lived there before. Anyone born in Israel since its birth is certainly Israeli, to ask them to leave the country and move elsewhere would be forced relocation (ethnic cleansing). What Israeli Jews can do however is construct a sensible immigration policy and weed out the unhealthy influence from the ultra orthodox, right-wing religious groups. They can also create an Israel that doesn't demand submission to the jewish nation as a necessary condition for membership, and give full civil rights to Israeli arabs who don't want to be made to call themselves servants to Israel. The whole concept of the dual religious and ethnic identity is baffling to me, it's almost like insisting that Black British people swear to become white British and swear obedience to white British masters...........it's just really quite daft. If you think that Jews come first and that Arabs (Muslim, christian or otherwise) should be second class citizens then you're pretty much on par with most contemporary zionists. If you also reject the religious component to zionism then you might not really be a zionist. Some christian zionists (including prominent politicians active in the USA) believe that the return of the jews to their ancestral homeland will hasten the return of Jesus, or will fulfill other biblical prophecies. This element to zionism for me is naturally stupid beyond all belief.

The UK would be a good place for you, we're an incredibly multi racial and multi religious nation. Spain, France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Scandinavia would all be welcoming (again, debatable but largely true), like I say if you don't even tell anyone you're Jewish they'll just assume you're from elsewhere in Europe (unless you specify that you're Greek).
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Most Gays have a typical behavior of rejecting religions, because religions consider them as sinners (In Islam they deserve to be killed)
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I think you are too idiot to know the meaning of idiot for example you have a law to prevent boys under 16 from driving do you think that all boys under 16 are careless and cannot drive properly
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Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 3:20 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by Angrboda - December 19, 2013 at 3:45 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by Angrboda - December 19, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 4:52 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by feeling - December 19, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by KichigaiNeko - December 19, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by TaraJo - December 19, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by TaraJo - December 19, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by TaraJo - December 19, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by EgoRaptor - December 19, 2013 at 12:32 pm
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by downbeatplumb - December 19, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by houseofcantor - December 19, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by WesOlsen - December 20, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 21, 2013 at 4:34 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by Chas - December 20, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by Faith No More - December 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by WesOlsen - December 21, 2013 at 4:47 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by max-greece - December 21, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Why I am an atheist Jew and a Zionist. - by WesOlsen - December 21, 2013 at 2:55 pm

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