RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 22, 2013 at 9:33 am
Jeez, Snowy's just resorting to blindfire now in the hopes of hitting something, is he? "That composer guy," is deliberately ignoring some of his more egregious one sentence defecations, because they don't really bear thinking about, but there is this:
I guess you could say that, if you're willing to be completely ignorant of the progress of science and the degree to which religious claims have had to retract themselves into the blank spots in scientific knowledge over the years. Really, it's very telling that now christianity has had to retreat to possibly the largest, most general unanswered question, in universal origins: all the other things they used to claim were the hand of the creator at work, have been shown not to be. They've only got the big one left.
That is the god of the gaps argument, by definition. And it's all you've done the entire time you've been here, yellow snow.
Only children demand things be true based on nothing.
I think a quick look back through the thread will show that the question you've been asked most is "what is your evidence for god?" So, way to project; good thing to see you know your way around strawmen.
Ah ha! Here we go, evidence that Snowy is literally out of arguments, because he's gone to the laziest possible justification for anything. "It just is." The same bullshit presuppositionalists use, the same cowardly dodge we get from all those "in your heart you know there's a god, you just don't want to admit it!" types.
To which my answer is now, and will always be: fuck off, douchebag. Come back when you're ready to join the adult table and argue like you're out of fucking diapers.
Except that there's no justification for assuming that there's even one right set of conditions; that assumes from the beginning that there's a goal being shot for, which is just question begging.
Simple: there is no "right" combination, because there is no "correct" universe. The conditions of the universe shook out the way they did, and it is fortuitous to us that such conditions support life. If they didn't... so what? We might not be here to see that, but that doesn't mean other life wouldn't be, nor does it mean that this universe somehow failed. To say that the universe is here, and that we're here in it, doesn't mean that this is somehow destiny; on a cosmic timeline our existence may just be a brief, transitory moment of light in the darkness, or one of many such lights.
Positing a designer for all this requires evidence that there is one. And you, snowtracks, have failed to accomplish this in a profound and unambiguous way. You're fooling nobody.
(December 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)snowtracks Wrote: theism has no God of the gap problem.
I guess you could say that, if you're willing to be completely ignorant of the progress of science and the degree to which religious claims have had to retract themselves into the blank spots in scientific knowledge over the years. Really, it's very telling that now christianity has had to retreat to possibly the largest, most general unanswered question, in universal origins: all the other things they used to claim were the hand of the creator at work, have been shown not to be. They've only got the big one left.
That is the god of the gaps argument, by definition. And it's all you've done the entire time you've been here, yellow snow.
Quote: the U. is here, and has a designer.
Only children demand things be true based on nothing.
Quote: some can't accept it because they're in the dead zone asking the child's question: well, who made God?
I think a quick look back through the thread will show that the question you've been asked most is "what is your evidence for god?" So, way to project; good thing to see you know your way around strawmen.
Quote: (easily answered, because God is self-evident).
Ah ha! Here we go, evidence that Snowy is literally out of arguments, because he's gone to the laziest possible justification for anything. "It just is." The same bullshit presuppositionalists use, the same cowardly dodge we get from all those "in your heart you know there's a god, you just don't want to admit it!" types.
To which my answer is now, and will always be: fuck off, douchebag. Come back when you're ready to join the adult table and argue like you're out of fucking diapers.
Quote: richard dawkins in his 'God delusion' book states the U. is improbable, making the God hypothesis even more improbable. he acknowledges the U. is here to his credit, and we are here; therefore, there must be other universes and ours happens to be one that has the right combination of things in place (anthropic principle).
Except that there's no justification for assuming that there's even one right set of conditions; that assumes from the beginning that there's a goal being shot for, which is just question begging.
Quote:so his answer is an explanation that appeals to the multiverse which is crammed with trillions of universes spinning and twisting to hit on the right combination. so what do you have to explain the U.? now is your chance to set the record straight. ready, set, go.
Simple: there is no "right" combination, because there is no "correct" universe. The conditions of the universe shook out the way they did, and it is fortuitous to us that such conditions support life. If they didn't... so what? We might not be here to see that, but that doesn't mean other life wouldn't be, nor does it mean that this universe somehow failed. To say that the universe is here, and that we're here in it, doesn't mean that this is somehow destiny; on a cosmic timeline our existence may just be a brief, transitory moment of light in the darkness, or one of many such lights.
Positing a designer for all this requires evidence that there is one. And you, snowtracks, have failed to accomplish this in a profound and unambiguous way. You're fooling nobody.
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