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Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
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RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism?
(February 22, 2010 at 2:39 am)Saerules Wrote:
Tav Wrote:I have faith that God exists objectively and cannot be tested scientifically because he needs our faith in his existence.

I don't see how fr0d0 is supposed to find any evidence if the above is indeed what he believes. If a god wanted "unreasonable" faith in his existence by his subjects... and a person thus has faith in said being because of 'intuition' (if you will?):

Then why would you even ask them what evidence or reasons they have for believing in such a being?

I'm asking about his personal experiences that led him to believe, since he has claimed in the past that he has had revealing experiences with the divine. I don't think fr0d0 believes something purely going on a gut feeling (intuition) with nothing else to back it up.

I'm asking what his subjective reasoning was, since it's his position that such a claim is not objective.

His. Personal. Experience.

That's all.

(February 22, 2010 at 2:39 am)Saerules Wrote:
Tav Wrote:Did you ever get around to showing the evidence that made you believe in God?

Of course he hasn't... if he did that would defeat the purpose of "God" as likely fr0d0 believes in him. What purpose? Well if you had faith in "God", you might very well know Tongue (Iow: the purpose would sound ridiculous and/or stupid to you and me, as it takes having faith in "God" to have any real meaning to begin with).

The most likely reason fr0d0 believes in "God" is that there is no reason to believe in him Tongue I'm not fr0d0 of course, but his response would probably be along those lines Tongue

Believing in something with no reason to believe in it is insane and pretty much the definition of delusion.

I don't think he's trying to contend that point at all. He's just dodging the question that has been asked 15 times before because it's what he does best.
(February 22, 2010 at 4:23 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Tav (and VOID) is using the classic get out clause... because he knows the logical answer is that there can be no evidence and that's what Christians logically accept - so he makes the observation that the question wasn't answered. Such is the coherence of his logical argument. He and VOID both insist on banging their heads on the wall when they've had the answer in pure logic but cannot see that the question has been answered. It's exactly like giving a fool a piece of string and telling them there's ice cream on the end and not the brick that keeps hitting them on the head. They keep pulling the string in the hope that against the evidence they plainly feel, there really must be ice cream there.

I'd love it if you shed some light on your own experiences and beliefs, rather than commenting on how others aren't consistent with the teachings of Jesus and throwing logical fallacies around as if they were on sale.

I'm not asking for anything objective nor scientific.

I am asking you what your personal experience was to make you believe in such a deity. Read: SUBJECTIVE.

Thanks.
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Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 3:23 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 4:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 6:46 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 19, 2010 at 7:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 19, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 2:56 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 12:49 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 20, 2010 at 7:12 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 20, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 20, 2010 at 9:43 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 20, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 12:16 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 2:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 21, 2010 at 1:37 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 21, 2010 at 2:58 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 3:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:10 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 8:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 21, 2010 at 8:29 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 21, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Zen Badger - February 24, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Tiberius - February 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 12:21 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Darwinian - February 22, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by theVOID - February 22, 2010 at 8:24 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 22, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:23 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - February 22, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 5:01 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 1:55 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:53 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 9:20 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Shell B - February 23, 2010 at 3:59 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by tackattack - February 24, 2010 at 4:33 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - February 24, 2010 at 4:41 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Chad Farris - February 27, 2010 at 2:28 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Mandi - March 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by padraic - March 10, 2010 at 4:06 am
RE: Can objective morality exist in Atheism? - by Violet - March 10, 2010 at 5:16 am

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