RE: The Libertarian Utopia
December 28, 2013 at 3:23 pm
(This post was last modified: December 28, 2013 at 3:34 pm by TaraJo.)
(December 28, 2013 at 3:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote: You just don't get it. You can't just take part of Libertarianism (in Texas' case, less government spending) and apply it without applying the part of Libertarianism that balances it out. It's obvious to even Libertarians that simply reducing government spending on welfare won't solve the problem; that money has to come from somewhere else, which is why Libertarians also advocate lowering taxes so that ordinary people have more money, which they can then give to charity. Libertarianism is a way of governance; it's designed to be implemented as a way of running the country, much like systems like communism and socialism are supposed to be.
Ah, the old Republican answer to every economic ill: tax cuts!
Here's a news flash: most people don't care about tax cuts! We don't want tax cuts, we want wages to go up, we want prices on things like health insurance, gasoline, rent and groceries to go down and tax cuts ain't gonna do that. Right now, the only people with enough money to make up the difference in what the government wouldn't be giving charity anymore are the people who are far too greedy to share any of it. The truth is, there's a lot of rich people who are assholes who think the world owes them everything and unless an economic system takes them into consideration, it's going to fail.
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(December 28, 2013 at 3:06 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(December 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm)TaraJo Wrote: No, but you could certainly make a libertarian case for legalization of murder, especially murder-for-hire (free enterprise and all).No, you really couldn't. If you think you can, then you are are too deluded about what Libertarianism actually is and what it stands for. Above anything else, Libertarianism is about the rights of a person to control their own life. Free enterprise does not somehow trump that. A company that killed people for money violates Libertarian ethics and laws just as it violates our current ethics and laws.
Ah, the ol' No-true-scottsman route, huh?
Pay attention to the political philosophy of Ron Paul, the biggest name in American politics to carry the label "Libertarian." His way of looking at things can be summed up like this: if the constitution doesn't specifically say we can do something, we can't do it.
So, do you know if the constitution says anything about murder? I'll give you a hint: it doesn't. From what I've seen, state constitutions don't say much about murder, either. Following Ron Pauls' politcal philosophy to its logical conclusion, yes, since it's not in the constitution, I can legally beat the door-to-door religious people into the concrete until their head splits in two.
And, yes, Ron Paul identifies as a libertarian. But let's not leave others out. Have you paid attention to the Koch brothers? Billionaire businessmen who argue for libertarianism in the form of less regulation and lower taxes.... while accepting huge government subsidies.
Tiberius, I think your complaint should be taken up with the people who wear that libertarian label and use it to defend some pretty psycho policies, not wth me.
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"If you cling to something as the absolute truth and you are caught in it, when the truth comes in person to knock on your door you will refuse to let it in." ~ Siddhartha Gautama