I’m not going to quote the pretext anymore it’s getting far too long and convoluted. I've already spent far too much time on this.
1-The amount of faith you have is irrelevant to me. You have the same amount of faith that God exists as in an apple falling up. God hasn’t proved himself to you and you rest in the belief of your materialism, supported by testing of science and by countless proofs to be historically “the way things work”.
3.5- I agree that bias is detrimental to legitimate experimentation. I was referring to any objective truth that could rest outside our realm of how we understand our universe. I did make a positive claim that God exists, allow me to restate.
I believe that God is likely to exist, resting on nothing but faith= I have faith that God exists
I believe I can know aspects of what God would be if he existed, by the evidence cited = I believe in the idea of God
4.3- I posit that my anecdotal evidence isn’t untrustworthy. It’s true but it can’t be used to support the conclusion that God exists objectively.
4.3.1-I did read the links when posted a while ago, down to the references. I’ll accept that the data is relative even though the references weren’t to anything more than broken links, fiction books and subjective news articles. “Persinger believes that religious experiences are the result of so-called "mini electrical storms" in the temporal lobes” Is a faulty assumption because he’s saying all religious experiences are conclusively attributed to these storms. All he really got was hallucinations and out of body experiences, neither of which are on my list of evidence. I agree that neurobiology some day may yield the ultimate answer. I applaud their efforts and am a willing experiment. You however have fell short of convincing me that what I perceive as my experience is attributable to biochemistry. I have no more psychomotor epilepsy, hallucinatory experiences, post-stimulation electrical instability or generate learned seizures any more than you do.
4.3.2- You may have whatever skewed view of my explanations of God as you like. The analogy is flawed so you still don’t understand my perspective.
4.5-No the original analogy of the VW jetta is a faulty one.. see 4.3.2 for same conclusion.
4.6- I have and I do and it is valid. The evidence has been listed over and over again, but rejected because it’s not mathematic of scientific evidence.
4.7-I’ve been other religions and no religion. I’m not opposed to changing those views.
4.8-I do appreciate a little satisfaction that we’re number 2 on the food chain. I do appreciate that lucky things can happen as part of the chaos of life. I didn’t say I was a cow, just no more special in God’s eyes. You’re a haughty prick. By your own words of “I attempted to do it, but it was an exercise in futility as there were simply too many points made to argue every single one in a respectable time frame. I stopped caring and let it go, frankly.” I can see you’re not really here to discuss, you’re here to argue. That coupled with you inability to accept the possibility of a stance other than yours and your haughty and disingenuous attitude solidifies you as a very intelligent troll to me. I’ll stop feeding you now.
1-The amount of faith you have is irrelevant to me. You have the same amount of faith that God exists as in an apple falling up. God hasn’t proved himself to you and you rest in the belief of your materialism, supported by testing of science and by countless proofs to be historically “the way things work”.
3.5- I agree that bias is detrimental to legitimate experimentation. I was referring to any objective truth that could rest outside our realm of how we understand our universe. I did make a positive claim that God exists, allow me to restate.
I believe that God is likely to exist, resting on nothing but faith= I have faith that God exists
I believe I can know aspects of what God would be if he existed, by the evidence cited = I believe in the idea of God
4.3- I posit that my anecdotal evidence isn’t untrustworthy. It’s true but it can’t be used to support the conclusion that God exists objectively.
4.3.1-I did read the links when posted a while ago, down to the references. I’ll accept that the data is relative even though the references weren’t to anything more than broken links, fiction books and subjective news articles. “Persinger believes that religious experiences are the result of so-called "mini electrical storms" in the temporal lobes” Is a faulty assumption because he’s saying all religious experiences are conclusively attributed to these storms. All he really got was hallucinations and out of body experiences, neither of which are on my list of evidence. I agree that neurobiology some day may yield the ultimate answer. I applaud their efforts and am a willing experiment. You however have fell short of convincing me that what I perceive as my experience is attributable to biochemistry. I have no more psychomotor epilepsy, hallucinatory experiences, post-stimulation electrical instability or generate learned seizures any more than you do.
4.3.2- You may have whatever skewed view of my explanations of God as you like. The analogy is flawed so you still don’t understand my perspective.
4.5-No the original analogy of the VW jetta is a faulty one.. see 4.3.2 for same conclusion.
4.6- I have and I do and it is valid. The evidence has been listed over and over again, but rejected because it’s not mathematic of scientific evidence.
4.7-I’ve been other religions and no religion. I’m not opposed to changing those views.
4.8-I do appreciate a little satisfaction that we’re number 2 on the food chain. I do appreciate that lucky things can happen as part of the chaos of life. I didn’t say I was a cow, just no more special in God’s eyes. You’re a haughty prick. By your own words of “I attempted to do it, but it was an exercise in futility as there were simply too many points made to argue every single one in a respectable time frame. I stopped caring and let it go, frankly.” I can see you’re not really here to discuss, you’re here to argue. That coupled with you inability to accept the possibility of a stance other than yours and your haughty and disingenuous attitude solidifies you as a very intelligent troll to me. I’ll stop feeding you now.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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