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The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old
(December 30, 2013 at 8:35 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
(December 28, 2013 at 12:23 am)orogenicman Wrote: If by "embarrassing amount of difficulty understanding basic concepts" you mean that I don't understand how anyone can pretend to get a 10,000 year old universe from unambiguous evidence of a 13.7 billion year old universe, then your [sic] are right. I do have difficultly [sic] accepting such a delusion. The only thing I find embarrassing is the fact that there are still people in the world who believe in 10,000 year old universes, expanding Earths, hollow Earths, and flat Earths.

Nope, what I was referring to was your ignorance of special relativity’s conventionality thesis.

Perhaps you could elaborate on what you consider to be my ignorance regarding "relativity’s conventionality thesis".

orogenicman Wrote:Nope. This is what people always say when encountering someone as willfully ignorant as you.

warped one Wrote:I do not blame you for playing the personal attack card, it’s obviously the only one you have in your deck.

Hehehe. Pot-kettle-black.

orogenicman Wrote:Well, you see. unlike you, I don't have to refer to "Freundel of Contemporary Orthodox Judaism's response to modernity" since, having been married to a Jew, I know first hand that most modern Jews are not orthodox.

warped one Wrote:That’s a fallacious appeal to authority.

Referring to my ex-wife's Jewry is an appeal to authority? Perhaps you should reconsider that bullshite argument.

warped one Wrote:I am sorry-but unlike Freundel-your wife is not an appropriate authority to speak upon the beliefs of all modern Jews. I appeal to the experts on the matter, you appeal to your wife’s opinion. That’s funny.

So what you are saying is that you know my ex-wife better than I do. I suspect she would be surprised to learn of this.

orogenicman Wrote:Orthodox Jews are a minority sect within the Jewish faith just as fundamental Christians like you are a minority in the Christian faith.

warped one Wrote:That’s irrelevant, you claimed that only evangelical Christians believe in a young Earth

That is not what I claimed. Do I need to give you a lesson in reading comprehension?

warped one Wrote:(ironically enough you made this claim to someone who is not an evangelical Christian and who believes in a young Earth) and Orthodox Jews are not evangelical Christians. Secondly, I am not a fundamentalist Christian I am a Reformed Christian-there’s a difference. If you are going to toss these terms around I’d prefer that you at least learned what they meant first.

The fact remains that those who believe in a young Earth are far outnumbered by those who don't, many of whom are religious. So you are basically a Calvanist. You have my sympathies.

orogenicman Wrote:For instance, according to a 1990 nationwide survey, 7 percent of American Jews are Orthodox. And like you and your fundy brothers and sister, they got Genesis wrong as well.

http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/denominations.htm

warped one Wrote:Wait, I thought that only evangelical Christians believed in a young Earth? It’s funny when you refute yourself like this. Tongue

Learn to read.

Getting back to our original discussion, there are plenty of equations that imply or else provide mathematical proofs of the finite speed of light. Can you show us a valid equation that implies that light can travel instantaneously, as you and your mentor claims?
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RE: The universe appears "old", but it is still less than 10,000 years old - by orogenicman - December 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm

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