(February 23, 2010 at 12:20 pm)objectivitees Wrote:(February 18, 2010 at 8:56 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(February 18, 2010 at 8:22 pm)objectivitees Wrote:Sorry, but the logic works without that premise, which is possibly why it was unstated (i.e. it didn't exist in the first place). Given the premise "A solid understanding of science and logic leads to an atheistic worldview.", if someone has a solid understanding of science and logic, they would be an atheist. It's a logical argument of the form:Quote:Show me how that argument was scientific in any way please.
Because your unstated premise is "Science leads to truth" therefore his claim was appealing to science as proof of Atheism, just as I said.
And yes, I have been hanging out with moronic Atheists.
If P, then Q.
P.
Therefore Q.
You can argue with the validity of the premise, since I think it's untrue (I wouldn't say science led to any conclusion about God, but I would say logic does), but you don't need any premise about science leading to truth.
My atheism isn't based on science at all. Even when I was a Christian, I believed in science. Nothing in science caused me to become an atheist.
Wow, you're kidding right? I claimed Atheists default to science to "prove" their Atheism is true. He said, a solid understanding leads to Atheism. Which part of that wasn't a defense of using science to defend Atheism? Simple English man. Your syllogism is (though a valid modus tollens), irrelevant.
How do you prove atheism is true?
Adrian was giving an example of how a statement such as "A solid understanding of science and logic leads to an atheistic worldview." is not necessarily true as a function of science itself. It doesn't steer you toward a conclusion about God or gods. It has no say in unfalsifiable claims.
There are many scientists that are theistic, just as there are many unscientific atheists.
He goes to say:
"You can argue with the validity of the premise, since I think it's untrue (I wouldn't say science led to any conclusion about God, but I would say logic does), but you don't need any premise about science leading to truth."
It was not a fallacy of irrelevance, it's just that you're not completely understanding the subject material.