RE: Atheist 'church'?
January 1, 2014 at 2:32 pm
(This post was last modified: January 1, 2014 at 2:34 pm by Napoléon.)
(January 1, 2014 at 1:27 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Are you trying to pull a fast one on us?
I knew someone would accuse me of this. Like I didn't read the rest of the fucking page.
Quote:2. Applied to public places of worship of any religion: as †a. (formerly) to heathen temples, Muslim mosques.
†b. also to the Jewish temple. Obs.
c. In U.S., of late applied to places of meeting and religious exercise of various societies called ‘churches’.
None of this detracts from my point.
My main point was that the term church defines a religous place of worship. That Christianity is used in every single definition just further highlights this.
Quote: In addition to that, the notes on etymology in the OED make clear that the derivation of the word through its Germanic cognates may not refer to a Christian place of worship, as the related cognates in the New Testament refer to the body of worshippers, not the physical place of worship.
Words can be used in multiple contexts. HOLY SHIT. Wow, tell me something else I don't know.
Quote:I suspect you got your definition from the online edition of the Oxford Dictionary, which is unrelated to the Oxford English Dictionary and is an inferior reference work to the OED.
I did a quick google search of the term church. That pretty much every definition of the word "church" returns the words worship and has another appropriate religious connotation mentioned (mostly christianity), just further backs up what I've been saying the past several pages.
Quote:Regardless, you are engaging in a genetic fallacy in presuming that the way a word has been used historically determines how it is used today. If there are non-Christian communities that use the word 'church' to refer to the place they gather, then usage, not history, dictates that the definition now includes places where non-Christians congregate in imitation of the religious institution. To say otherwise is both bad scholarship (appealing to one documented usage while ignoring another equally valid usage) and fallacious reasoning (arguing that a historical condition that no longer holds dictates current conditions).
In every usage of the term church there is specific mention of worship. Seems to me a bunch of atheists worshipping is a total oxymoron seen as they don't believe in a higher being. I guess we could all sit around worshipping each other, but that would still be pretty retarded wouldn't it. Don't see how my point is invalidated in the slightest.
Yes ofcourse word useage changes over time. This has no say in whether new useage of an old word is stupid and or misleading. The term gay used to mean happy. Then it meant someone who was homosexual. Now the term is used widely as a synonym for "bad" or "shit". For instance I know many people who constantly say "that's gay". Not meaning, "that's homosexual", rather "that's shit". I find this useage of the term completely fucking retarded, as do I find the useage of the term "church" retarded when atheists use it to describe their gatherings.



